What is your opinion on R.A.S.H, comrade?Well for me only skinheads that are "any good" are those from 1969
But The Redskins are good band, even they are in Trotsky's fan club
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What is your opinion on R.A.S.H, comrade?Well for me only skinheads that are "any good" are those from 1969
But The Redskins are good band, even they are in Trotsky's fan club
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Jedes Herz ist eine revolutionäre Zelle
I don't like to have rash...
Now serious:
I have nothing against any subculture which is not promoting reactionary ideas.
There are no real RASH's in Croatia, so I can't say that I met RASH.
But, also I don't think that any subculture can offer prosperity for ideology, because in subcultures identity and lifestyle are the most important things. It's more important to have red laces than "class struggle" it's more important to have "palestinka" over your face in some kind of peaceful protest than to organise and fight for something more. In one word subculture thing is not serious. Most of the people when they reach 25 or 30 they don't connect themselves with this subculture any more, so they leave politics which was part of that lifestyle. That's sad, because then we have to much liberals.
The saddest thing is that politics becomes part of a lifestyle.
The good thing about RASH is that kids who are fed up with the lifestyle shit, can join revolutionary organisation, because they believe in more.
I echo the call to sticky this.
This is a good topic, I wasn't really aware of the different groups of skinheads. Where I live, there is just the one group of skinheads I ever see and there definitley of the bonehead variety(one is always wearing a swastika armband).
What a poseur.(one is always wearing a swastika armband).
Jedes Herz ist eine revolutionäre Zelle
well im suprised to see how redskins work... they acctually prefer hanging around even when its not protest march , any meeting or something official... they go outside , drink togheter , stick togheter, talk about ideas
Not really. The poser types still think braces and laces mean anything, but I wore red laces, and all the trads and sharps I know wear white.
Basically, if someone tells you that you're wearing the wrong laces, punch them in the mouth.
The defeat of the revolutionary movement was not, as Stalinists always complain, due to its lack of unity. It was defeated because the civil war within its ranks was not worked out with enough force. The crippling effects of the systematic confusion between hostis and enemy are self-evident, whether it be the tragedy of the Soviet Union or the groupuscular comedy.
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Jedes Herz ist eine revolutionäre Zelle
I don't think the original skinheads in the 1960s were quite as anti-racist as today's skinheads like to claim. From what I've heard and read, they did indeed socialise with black immigrant kids and listened to their music, but a lot of them went 'Paki bashing' at the same time. I understand they admired Jamaicans for being 'hard' and regarded Asians as 'soft'. There were local differences, though. Apparently, Manchester skinheads would gang up on black kids a lot whereas this was not the case in London.
It wasn't until the early 70s that some skinheads started marching with the National Front. The 60s skins were 'apolitical', i.e. some were 'apolitically' racist while others were 'apolitically' non-racist.
I don't think it was so much that they were apolitical, that it was them having their own personal political beliefs that they kept out of the scene.
The defeat of the revolutionary movement was not, as Stalinists always complain, due to its lack of unity. It was defeated because the civil war within its ranks was not worked out with enough force. The crippling effects of the systematic confusion between hostis and enemy are self-evident, whether it be the tragedy of the Soviet Union or the groupuscular comedy.
formerly Species Being
This implies some conscious effort not to contaminate 'the scene' with politics, but though I can't be sure, I believe the 1960s skins were much more politically 'innocent' than that. To go 'paki bashing' is a racist act and therefore political, but in the 60s, skinheads weren't doing that out of some conscious political or racial ideology. If they were doing it, they were doing it just because they were stupid and wanted to be hard.
I'm not even sure if the term 'scene' applies to the original skinhead phenomenon, which had little to do with the later international skinhead cult that had/still has its own infrastructure, music, fanzines, etc.
It was more of a neighbourhood gang thing rather than a scene. If you lived on a certain estate and wanted to be someone, you joined the local skinhead gang, wore the right clothes, and listened to rocksteady - much like you may want to listen to grime and wear a hoodie if you want to be part of your local neighbourhood gang today.
It was just a working class youth fashion that largely died out when David Bowie and glam rock became popular around 1972.
View the clip from around 2:40 to catch some original skinheads in the 1960s talking about 'jumping Pakis'.
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I'm not a skinhead, but only because I like my hair fairly long. I'm glad you made this thread, it's important to dissolve as many stereotypes as we can.
Less than every four seconds, someone dies from starvation. There's one. And another...and another, and another. Let's hear it for capitalism, everyone.
Good posts, Nero. However, from what I've heard of, the "Paki-bashers" were a minority, compared to apolitical majority who was just "having a laugh".
This picture is also informing:
Jedes Herz ist eine revolutionäre Zelle
Nice one commie
I guess it's impossible to find out whether they were the majority or minority, and every old skinhead will probably have a different tale to tell, depending on where they grew up. But as a matter of fact, 'paki bashing' was rampant in the late 60s, and skinheads were known to be its main perpetrators. Their trademark chant was "when all the lights are flashing, we're going paki bashing". No matter what first-hand account of late 60s skinheads you look at, racism against Asian people always crops up somewhere.
Here's but one account from someone who experienced skins in late 60s London:
http://www.eelpie.org/epd_19.htm
Quotes:
This is only one of many search results google brought up, I'm sure you can find many more accounts.
As you say, skinheads weren't really political in those days and were just "having a laugh", but having a laugh often meant kicking someone's head in - preferably someone who was 'different' to them.
Britain was a far more racist place back then, and it stands to reason that the skinheads, while being 'apolitical', just acted out what the mainstream of society was thinking.
Benjamin Bowling's book 'Violent Racism: Victimization, Policing, and Social Context' reports that in 1970 in the East End of London, over a three-month period 150 people were seriously injured in 'paki bashing' assaults. The East End of London was the original skinheads' main stomping ground, and in this period the first wave of the subculture was at its peak. Put one and one together.
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fuck trads , redskin is our thing
any good redskin bands ? im not up to this OI culture much
