Are prison guards bad?
Is the role they serve (being charged with the responsibility of the supervision, safety and security of prisoners in a prison, jail or other secure enviroment) a bad one?
Are they as reactionary as the Police?
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Are prison guards bad?
Are prison guards bad?
Is the role they serve (being charged with the responsibility of the supervision, safety and security of prisoners in a prison, jail or other secure enviroment) a bad one?
Are they as reactionary as the Police?
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The fact that they live in direct contact with the failure of the capitalist society, added with the total lack of prestige of their job, make them generally less reactionnary than the police. But they are to be erased as a social category along with the prisons. Participating in the existence of a totalitarian environment is always a bad role to serve.
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Its hard to say if they are more reactionary than the police. One exists to arrest marginal populations, the other to keep them in prison. They are bad in the sense that they work to uphold the existing order by imprisoning poor and minority populations that are not useful to capitalism.
On an individual level im sure that some of them are just plain evil. Most people conform to social pressure, under different situations most of them probably wouldn't brutalize their fellow man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
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...revolutionaries are anti-civilisation because we are opposed to what class society defines as 'civilized' and desireable; because class society and 'civilization' are two-sides of the same coin. Hierarchal organisation, parliaments, commerce, property rights, the police, law and order, fences, borders, religious institutions, these are the things that define 'civilization.' These are the institutions upon which 'civilized society' and class society are based; and all of these will be destroyed when capitalism, the state --- when bourgeois society is pulled down and trampled on by the exploited and oppressed in the struggle for liberation. - bleeding gums malatesta
I don't see prison guards as "bad" per se, but as fellow proletarians working, trying to survive in a Capitalist society. If they be oppressive alot of the time they're probably just doing what they're ordered to do by the reactionary pigs. The Reactionaries probably arrest those people in the first place, because they see them as a threat to Capitalism, not to society.
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As individuals, I think that it's highly likely that prison guards have a certain mean streak to them. I definatly dont think it's a political thing, but more of a way for them to make money from bieng bullies.
Remember, the ones who really believe in the bourgeous are probably going to be bourgeous themselves or active members of the main parties. I doubt they'd waste time earning minimum wage to get spitted on in a jail
Stanford prison study, anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
"Normal" people in the role of prison guards became sadists, the prisoners became psychological wrecks. The profession brings out the worst in people, and seems to attract those with a lust for power over others (as it does in police work) so I'd say they're on par.
[FONT=Arial]Lust for power, or lust for justice. The latter categorization isn't necessarily bad. I don't buy into the idea most prison guards (or cops) are power-hungry fucks. I think most have a set instinct on what should be justice.
Let's face it. Being a prison guard is probably one of the shittiest jobs someone could go through, and a lot of it has to do with the situation they're faced with. Law enforcement agents oftentimes are nice, generous individuals. Are we really upset at special crime units who track down rapists, for example?
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Why have prison guards when we can just send all the criminals to Siberian Gulags?hehe.
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What the fuck does 'bad' mean?
Wtf is a bad role? They just perform a parasitic job, as many others in the capitalist system.
I wouldn't say that.Since their potential for violence is rather limited, i doubt they can pose a serious threat to a class-concious proletarian majority.
Fuck the screws.
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Yes, screw the fucks.
Prison guards have the authority to oppress a part of the working class. Therefore they're not part of the working class.
Sure, they're just carrying out the policy our rulers set, but they still get privileges that the working class doesn't get. They're just as inherently reactionary as the police.
Well, the role of prison-guards is to make sure that the people arrested by the police remain locked up. The sole purpose of their existence is to ensure the negation of freedom of others. That is definitely something bad and reactionary.
I spose this is pretty much the same as the debate about prisons, under the current system prisons are terrible, and the guards are a big part of the problem, not to say they're all bad as individuals, but as whole they're bad
however I feel prisons are essential to society, and if you have prisons someone has to guard them, but a prison guards job should be to protect prisoners and to help their rehabilitation into society. Not to fuck them up even more so they leave prison worse off than when they went in
"everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side"
George Orwell
they are certainly brutalised by the job they do..much like slaughterhouse workers
I honestly don't care whether they are working class or not. Just because someone is working class doesn't make them my friend or comrade. If you read the accounts of people who have been in prison (and not just political prisoners) it is pretty evident that prison guards are fucked up. They are extremely brutal, a lot of them are white supremacists, they encourage the gangs that split the prison population, and they play on bigotries such as homophobia, racism, and sexism.
The defeat of the revolutionary movement was not, as Stalinists always complain, due to its lack of unity. It was defeated because the civil war within its ranks was not worked out with enough force. The crippling effects of the systematic confusion between hostis and enemy are self-evident, whether it be the tragedy of the Soviet Union or the groupuscular comedy.
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The defeat of the revolutionary movement was not, as Stalinists always complain, due to its lack of unity. It was defeated because the civil war within its ranks was not worked out with enough force. The crippling effects of the systematic confusion between hostis and enemy are self-evident, whether it be the tragedy of the Soviet Union or the groupuscular comedy.
formerly Species Being
those are the terms of their employment
Your point? I think it says a lot about someone who stays in that job.
The defeat of the revolutionary movement was not, as Stalinists always complain, due to its lack of unity. It was defeated because the civil war within its ranks was not worked out with enough force. The crippling effects of the systematic confusion between hostis and enemy are self-evident, whether it be the tragedy of the Soviet Union or the groupuscular comedy.
formerly Species Being
i disagree when would a prison in a capitalist society be about "rehabilitation"?
the question is why people are IN prison..under no circumstances is the prison system set up to rehabilitate anyone even if the system publicises it that way-it is propaganda and more about the effect that propaganda has on those not in prison.
