Che Guevara's love for Mao and Communist China

[Capitalist]

Che Guevara was very voiceful in his support for Stalinism and Communist China.

He admired Mao - even nicknamed his young daughter after him.

Yet Mao's Communist China was responsible for invading Tibet - well known by Che Guevara's time.

Communist China is estimated to be responsible for approx. 65 million deaths.

What is so great about Che Guevara?

The man was blind with rage and hatred for USA. He would stop at nothing to seek his revenge.

Revolution for the people?

No, Revolution for hatred

Revolution of Reform?

No, Revolution of Revenge!

Long live the Rage!

Long Live Che GueVara!

[CheGuevara]

If I remember correctly, the massive famines caused by piss-poor planning by the non-communist/socialist Chinese government in the 1950s-1960s did not become widely publicized until many years later. You seem to be well aware of this, because you clarify with regard to Tibet that it's take over was well known.
Also, I think your figures are inflated. Millions of people undoubtedly died in those famines, but 65 million?
As for Tibet, the Kingdom of Tibet contained slavery and was a very mysoginistic society. Mao didn't come in and spoil paradise, except for the Dalai Llama and the rest of his little playmates living in luxury while the people lived in squalid poverty. Now Tibet is still screwed up, but I would not say significantly more than the rest of Fascist China.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 3:09 am on Jan. 11, 2002)


(Edited by CheGuevara at 3:09 am on Jan. 11, 2002)

[MJM]

So you support slave owners capitalist?
didn't you say you hated slavery?
A lot of people hate the US and it's growing in number by the day.
Stop making up numbers or even worse, quoting other peoples fabrications.
I can make stuff up too the US killed and enslaved millions and built their empire on the blood and sweat of black slaves, murdered innocent people in the name of religion,stole a whole fucking country off some indians,nuked the japanese,nuked their own soldiers (and soldiers from my country) during tests,are trying to starve out a whole country as if they are laying seige in the middle ages,interferred in other countries ability to rule themselves.
Hang on thats the truth....uumm....


(Edited by MJM at 7:19 pm on Jan. 11, 2002)

[red head]

god you're a dumbass. mao claimed responsibility for 800,000 executions, an unexcusably high number but nowhere near your bullshit statistics. the life expectancy rose from 35 to 60, and in a country of 600 million+ people, would save more lives than it took. you are trying to condemn che by saying he supported someone who was in actuality an equal or better revolutionary.

[HardcoreCommie]

well then he claimed responsibilty for 800,000 executions. I guess he's not that bad.

[Moskitto]

1. That's China not Mao Zedungs Regime There is a difference as in you can't blame him for deaths that happened after he died.

2. The book that you have clearly been reading has flaws in it. First of all the Latin American section is quite biased particularly in it's extent on blaming the Nicaraguan civil war exclusively on the government even when they were not the ones who started fighting.

3. Even 65 million in a country the size of China is tiny. there were 1 billion people in china, that's a tiny 6% of the population. Nazi Germany is around 12%. Of course Mao Zedung would kill more people, there's more people who he's got the chance to kill.

[Capitalist]

The communist unlike the Nazis did not keep very good records on the numbers of innocent people they slaughtered. So I'm not so sure how good Mao's estimate would be.

[peaccenicked]

Unlike if we take your idiotic use of the term 'communist'
the US who deny or have nt counted civilian casualties in Afghanistan.

[MJM]

Quote: from Capitalist on 10:46 am on Jan. 12, 2002
The communist unlike the Nazis did not keep very good records on the numbers of innocent people they slaughtered. So I'm not so sure how good Mao's estimate would be.

Maybe it's because the mass murders never happened.
That would explain why the records weren't there.

[Moskitto]

oh so you're doubling you figures because you've just found a flaw in what you daid, right?

Here's a list of the top 20 democides aranged in order of the percentage of population killed.



you might notice that Mao isn't on there, Hitler is. Although that might be due to many historians merging the figures for the holocaust and WW2 like he did them boths single handedly. Neah wars always have more than 1 cause.

[Capitalist]

Nice graph Moskitto.

I must comend you, comrad.

I like the fact that someone is taking the time to research slaughter done by big governments and dictatorships.

Let us see the truth or at least try to estimate it.

[Moskitto]

I didn't actually make that graph, It was made by a librarian who made a website about 20th century history.

Did you know that 1 of those listed was actually a democracy? and number 3 was blamed on "private property"

If you read the explaination of the graph it says that there is not any political ideology, religion, race or culture that does not appear on that graph.

Mao is ranked somewhere in the next 10. here's the raw figures and further analysis http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warpcent.htm

[Supermodel]

Moskitto, thanks so much for the great info. Does anybody think we've learned our lesson after all that? Somehow I don't think so.....

[Moskitto]

Cambodia is the only country (appart from Nazi Germany) I'd call Nazi.

Yep the Khmer rouge believed that the Khmers were the Master Race.

Hitler Killed Jews, Pol Pot killed Vietnamese.

In Nazi Germany, Anglo-Saxons were considered a "secondary" master race, not quite level with the Aryans but nearly there.

In Cambodia, All other races perished.

There were anti-capitalists in the Nazi Party. The only difference was the Khmer Rouge had a much stronger anti-capitalist emphasis.