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  1. 22nd December 2001, 14:30 #1
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    I have the speech made by che at the UN summit,
    but was che pro or against the UN?

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    I think Che hated most of the countries in the UN, but saw potential to use it to stop the US. Every year it votes on whether or not it approves the embargo against either Cuba or Iraq (I can't remember which, but it's probably Cuba), and only the US and Israel approve the embargo. Also, the US is the only country convicted by the international war crimes tribunal (for what they did in Nicaragua in the 80's). And now, Annan is trying to moderate what the US is doing in Afghanistan. There is potential in the UN to curb imperialism and international crimes, and while I don't think Che approved what most countries in the UN were doing I think he was willing to use it as a tool to do what he needed to.
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    che would have been against the veto of
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    which organisation is "1 dollar, 1 vote"?
    imf ?

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    the idea of the un is very kind and brave as well as good. the idea has nothing to do with yankee imperialsim. unfortunately, the practice looks different.
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  6. 23rd December 2001, 11:22 #6
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    I agree, that in theory it is good, but no-one cares, just like the league of nations, its doesnt have enough power.
    The UN says something to usa, the usa doesnt even listen, and we dont hear about in on the news, because of the so many tools of propaganda

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    the us didnt pay their fees for a while did they? it seems starnge that, considering they almost run it. the un is a good idea, but any league of joint nations wouldnt be independent, it would be influenced by one of the superpowers (us)
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    to get the latest on the horrors of the UN, pick up the south end press book "Iraq under Siege"...essays by chomsky, zinn, and many others...it is an amazing book about a sick group of fools.
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    who is zinn?

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    howard zinn....a historian i believe...

    i got some spoken word stuff by him somewhere. good stuff.
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    A lot of high-ranking members have resigned over the past couple of years becasue of the continuing embargo of Iraq.

    The problem with the UN is that when they are making policy, an American vote (plus a vote from their ever faithful lap dog, Israel) is basically a veto.
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    Are there any good points in favour of a veto?
    How the fuck is it democracy?

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    the veto was given to uk usa cccp and france because they won the war and founded it.

    they gave china veto because they (usa) wanted them in the un. that was contra-productive though.
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    The U.S. still owes more than any country in the world. They use it as a way to twist arms. When Butrus Butrus Ghali, Egyptian, was to be voted in for a second term, they threatened not to pay if he was allowed in again so Kofi Annan became Secretary General. Democracy my ass.
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    my perception is that he was neither for or against the un but presented to the un urgency of what he thought had to be done to improve the world.

    what he spoke on seemed a bit "ideal" but made sense.
    it gave me an even greater insight on who che was as a simple man with little opinion and great caring.
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    Quote: from Che y Marijuana on 9:40 am on Dec. 25, 2001
    The U.S. still owes more than any country in the world. They use it as a way to twist arms. When Butrus Butrus Ghali, Egyptian, was to be voted in for a second term, they threatened not to pay if he was allowed in again so Kofi Annan became Secretary General. Democracy my ass.
    yes, i could see how "credit" has managed to get the us in debt, what i hear is that there is really no money or gold to back it up. (go figure)

    but is not the us in charge of all arms negotiations? i mean who needs money when you have all the "killing resources" to keep everyone and everything in check.

    and if the us needs money, dont they just sell all of these things? or do they give them away like the big headed corporations give "cash" money to start militia movements against their own "evil empires"??.

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    So can one conlude that Che used the UN, as a tool to voice his opinion?

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    America refuse to allow its troops be sent on peace keeping missions because of the fact that they are not allowed to carry guns, typical. The only time that America "follows" the advise of the UN is in South Korea, where the American Army is there under the banner of the UN. Basically a cover to the world, when it is really an occupation force that has no intention of leaving in the near future.

    But why would it want to leave?? They have a market in which they can sell their goods, a work force, influence in a part of the world which they would not otherwise have and a place within striking distance of China and Russia.

    America uses the UN, it now has no influence and it has no impact on foreign actions. Basically like the league of nations, pointless!
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    Quote: from TavareeshKamo on 7:24 am on Dec. 27, 2001
    So can one conlude that Che used the UN, as a tool to voice his opinion?

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    Yeah, I'd say he saw how the organization was manipulated, but thought it was still the best way to spread his message to the world leaders.
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    Also, since he was nothing like the other people at the UN, his ideas would be a lot harder for the western media to ignore. Che sitting at his desk talking about socialism is not going to get as much coverage as Che speaking in front of the most powerful people in the world (who hate him).
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