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I was flipping through the channels and I saw the rapper Jay-Z wearing a Che sweater. Does he even know who Che is? Ever listen to this guys songs? They're about being filthy rich and greedy!! This makes me sad
(Edited by Optimus Prime at 1:47 am on Dec. 12, 2001)
Most people that idolize Che GueVara have no idea about who he is or the bullshit hell he created in Cuba.
They just think his picture is so cool.
This rapper would not be the first Musician to blindly idolize this terrorist that so many idiots just blindly idolize.
I AM A FOOL
You've become much more hostile than your earlier posts. Is this how you get your kicks, insulting a great man?
I'm glad I don't live in the world you would like. If you had it your way, the private sector would control everything: education, housing, transportation, even foreign affairs. Watch the world shrivel up. Millions in third world countries would die because of brutal economic tactics. The corporations would invade every country that doesn't give them money, genocide would be the name of a bond traded on the market.
A terrorist? jumping on the bandwagon of George Dubbya? If I'm correct but Che NEVER killed innocent civilians, and would of never kill women and children. A terrorist? Please
wheter if you agree with him or not.....he was NOT a terrorist. look up some definitions of the word, and more then one since there are many different ones.
[i]"The State is a condition, a certain relationship between human beings, a mode of human behavior; we destroy it by contracting other relationships, by behaving differently."[/
well its no surprise everybody is going to jump on the Che bandwagon (it's going to make many $$$).
so capitalist answer this if you would: who do you like, admire or idiolize? and this terrorist is going commercial so what is your thought on that?
and che y marijuana: so, where do you live? generally speaking because what you speak on sounds familiar.
and another thing a "terrorist" is anyone who uses violence right? well i read in one translation of the bible that God is described as being a "terrible mighty warrior" , i mean what im trying to illustrate (and i mean no wrong, God forgive if i am) is that the two words are similar in translation and definition. so do we put God on the list of terrorists or just keep him on all our u.s. currency?
jz is one of my favorites but im losing hope in that we share the same philosophies but he is still a brotha as long as he is cool with my dogg(then he's cool with me)
(Edited by booga at 6:45 pm on Dec. 12, 2001)
I personally find myself in rebellion against the fate that history seems to have in store for us, and I suspect that some of you may be equally rebellious. The question is, what can you do? --Leo Szilard, \"Are We On The Road To War?\" Nov 17, 1961
a terrorist is someone who uses military means in order to attack civilians in either an indiscriminate or targeted way.
Three months ago I was watching tv, there was a videoclip of WTC and the plain. When WTC finally collapsed, my big sister's boyfriend looked at me, knowing well that Che is my idol, saying: "See that? You know what Che would say? 'Straight to the heart of Capitalism!'" Boy, was I mad... For he even spoke about Che and Bin Laden at the same day, no wayy....
I know, it has nothing to do with this subject, but... Well, my brain - go fig.
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I do not like Che GueVara.
However - I do not support banning his picture or those who support him or want to make money off his image. The Freedom of Speech, Ideas, and Free Capitalism must be protected at all costs.
Even Ideas I don't agree with have a right to be expressed. I have never advocated censorship like Fidel Castro and Che GueVara have.
However - if you support Che GueVara's Revolution - you better be ready to defend it with facts or good reasoning.
My Idols are Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Hoffa, Martin Luther King, Gahndi, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevlet, George Washington, Genral Grant and Sherman, Bill O'Reilley - anybody who has contributed to the advancement of Democracy, Capitalism, and Freedom. Now I admit many of these people are not perfect, especially Jimmy Hoffa, but they all had good intentions.
And believe it or not - perhaps Che GueVara once had good intentions too - but his United States Hatred screwed everything up.
I AM A FOOL
<<My Idols are Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Hoffa, Martin Luther King, Gahndi, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevlet, George Washington, Genral Grant and Sherman, Bill O'Reilley - anybody who has contributed to the advancement of Democracy, Capitalism, and Freedom.>>
Hmmmm....Do you think Gandhi would approve of the current state of the world, and blatant capitalist exploitation of the Third World and the lower classes in all countries?
[i]\"You must be the change you wish to see in the world\"-Gandhi
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Ghandi was more of a liberal socialist......definatly not a capitalist.
Reagan.......this guy is just guhhh.
Didn't he sell out the Actors Union when he was the head of it...i think he made a deal with some company that assured them that the union would never strike against them. (giving them total control)
In return they sponsored his campaign with big money or something...
way to start a career.
[i]"The State is a condition, a certain relationship between human beings, a mode of human behavior; we destroy it by contracting other relationships, by behaving differently."[/
He informed on his friends to McCarthy and got many of them black listed, very nice of him.
Elfinity, Capitalist said he admired people that strived for democracy and freedom so I guess that those were the headings that Gandhi would come under, because he definately was not a capitalist.
Life is a game that we play, that we never get out of alive.
Gandhi said on more than one occasion that he was an anarchist.
and he was, of a particular kind. What is defined as a 'Spiritual Anarchist' as it happens. But, like me, he recognised the invalidity of claiming that a perfect society could be achieved, he only sought the advances that seemed realistic to him.
And good on the guy. I also liked his pacifist principles, which also weren't very american or capitalist...
he didnt hate the united states, how could he? and dont tell me about cubans hating cuba and che because america took them in and well they had their opportunity just like every country gets their opportunity here in the united states. i dont understand, che fights for cuba, cuba hates che, che hates the us, cubans like the us, and capitalists love God otherwise why would we put "in God We Trust" on all our currency. if you can generalize on this whole issue of capitalism and economics then well youve managed to do what no one else have ever been able to do because the last time i checked only a communist belives in such a rigid methodolgy when it comes complex economics. of course its easy to prove all the bad shite that goes on, who couldnt?
Ronadl Reagan? Bill O'Reily? Yeah great people to look up to. Explain something how can you like Reagan and then like Roosevelt? Roosevelt brouhgt allot of social programs, and tried to expand the role of the US government....yet Reagan is a right wing capitalist...get you priorities straight buddy
Like I said, none of these people are perfect - except maybe Ronald Reagan and Bill O'Reilley.
I liked Gahndi & Martin Luther King for their tactics of Civil Disobedience and their evident love for everyone - including their enemies. I may not agree with their economics - but these men were truly rebels for reform and love - not revenge like Che and Fidel.
Franklin Roosevelt - I'm starting to have doubts about him. He sure did appease Stalin. I was wrong to mention this guy in my list of heroes. I don't think Franklin was evil - but I'm not so sure now that he was a great president - just president during an important time. I liked the fact that he was not an isolationanist when it came to Fascism. His appeasment of Stalin was just evil - perhaps Franklin had no idea what he was agreeing to at Yalta.
Jimmy Hoffa - well he started off good. He fought for workers everywhere. The right to assemble and unionize should be protected everywhere. I have no problem with that right - everyone has a right to fair wages. Jimmy became quite corrupt with the Mafia before his unexplained death - this I did not like about the man.
Ronald Reagan - This guy has got to be the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln (also a Republican). The list would go on forever. This MAN may have been old - but he did quite a lot to tear down the walls of communism everywhere. He should of been president during world war II instead of Franklin Roosevelt.
Bill O'Reilley - me and this journalist just think on the exact same level. Bill can see through all the bullshit and corruption and is very sucessful at exposing it on all levels. We disagree on one thing - I'd like to see at least 4 lane interstates with no speed limits, he advocates speed limits on interstates.
Reagan kicked some major communist ass!
God I love him.
and I like religion - have no problem with it. I just do not think Religion belongs in government or public institutions. Although if it were up to me - we would have everything privatized - including schools - so that those who wanted to send their children to religious schools could do so. I firmly believe the freedom of religion should be protected - although I'm not very religious or spiritual myself - I'll worry about religion when I'm dead or in hell.
I AM A FOOL
capitalist, say me a reason why i shouldnt like che.
you just say that he was a terrorist. you have no
prove etc. you just talk bullshit.
shut up, man.
Change the world
hey capitalist
if a nation pisses on ur head and fucks up your whole country, do you expect that you wouldnt retaliate?
so that means that bush is driven on revenge.
Che was after justice when being against USA, u know for how many years cubans were exploited under the batista govt? u reckon che shouldda just sat there and said " oh well lifes a *****"?
no he went after justice.
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Cuba was America's *****, it was full of whores, gangsters and casinos to give the American business men some fun. The people were exploited and treated like slaves. Why shouldn't they have risen up to kick out the Yankees. They had ever reason to fight a revolution for revenge, the Americans deserved it.
Life is a game that we play, that we never get out of alive.
Ummm...Reagan a better President then Roosevelt? Yeah...Right.... Anyway Reagan didn't do anything to help bring down communism, it was Russias own doing that brought it down themselves with Peristroika and Galskno.
