did fidel betrayed che?

[Guest]

some people belive that fidel betrayed che and sent him to his death deliberately. what do u think??

[Nickademus]

i think you should look at some of the former threads because this has been discussed in two other threads . . . .. both regarding bolivia

[Fantomas]

First, it does seem very possible. It doesn't take a genius to see this. Most of the people that started with Castro back in 1959 have all been executed, died of "natural" causes or in an "accident", fled the country or have been imprisoned. Is it a coincedence that from the original crew only Fidel and brother is left?
Second, all being said, there's no honor amongst thieves.
Those SOB deserved everything they got.

[rebel7609]

The people who were with Che at the very end said that he said he felt betrayed by Che. Of course, these are bastards that murdered him so I can't say that's too reliable a source.

[Nickademus]

Quote: from Fantomas on 2:05 pm on Oct. 24, 2001
First, it does seem very possible. It doesn't take a genius to see this. Most of the people that started with Castro back in 1959 have all been executed, died of "natural" causes or in an "accident", fled the country or have been imprisoned. Is it a coincedence that from the original crew only Fidel and brother is left?
Second, all being said, there's no honor amongst thieves.
Those SOB deserved everything they got.

terrible sorry my dear friend but i don't see how what you are talking about relates to the question at home

[AgustoSandino]

I think anyone can see that Fantomas meant that Fidel has betrayed many of, if not all, of his early compatriots, perhaps he did the same to Che. Don't dismiss messages simply because you think the messanger has "cooties" or something. I'd have thought that as a law student you'd be more objective or have greater polemical tact.

[Nickademus]

Quote: from AgustoSandino on 9:46 am on Oct. 26, 2001
I think anyone can see that Fantomas meant that Fidel has betrayed many of, if not all, of his early compatriots, perhaps he did the same to Che. Don't dismiss messages simply because you think the messanger has "cooties" or something. I'd have thought that as a law student you'd be more objective or have greater polemical tact.

actually i was trying to be objective but i didn't understand what the fuck he was trying to say. he wasn't being very articulate okay.' i'm not dismmissing anything he says that's why i don't support banning him.

[AgustoSandino]

If you say so.

[Nickademus]

Quote: from AgustoSandino on 9:30 pm on Oct. 26, 2001
If you say so.

that sounded very condescending.
you should know very well that is not what i am. i am very objective and logical.

[gooddoctor]

i've seen loads of castro's old comrades in interviews. they all looked bloody old to me. don't forget that the revolution was almost half-a-century ago, they aren't immortal, although che does seem like it sometimes.
furthermore, there is no way on earth castro could have known che would die in bolivia. he was shopped by some ignorant and greedy villagers who were more interested in appeasing the bolivian military and scooping the reward than che's valiant attempt to liberate them. that's simple fact.

(Edited by gooddoctor at 1:38 am on Oct. 27, 2001)

[AgustoSandino]

Quote: from AgustoSandino on 9:30 pm on Oct. 26, 2001
If you say so.
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that sounded very condescending.
you should know very well that is not what i am. i am very objective and logical. -Nickademus

*Sardonic tone*Yes Nickademus, you are clearly so objective and logical. *Condescension* That must be how you determined you determined that 4 typed words, each with one syllable, betray condescension.

[gogo gomez]

NOPE.

[Capitalist]

I think Castro used & still uses El Che for his own personal gain.

Although I'm of the moderate-right and my pig-headed capitalisitc ideas should not matter to you close-minded left wingers, I must agree that Fidel uses El Che's image has an effective tool of propaganda - much like Franco and his Fascist Regime used the image of Antonio for Spain's Facsist revolution against the Communist, Anarchist (both which I hate) and the Republic (the only rightful party in that revolution).

Dead People can not speak their minds nor defend their ideas. Which makes them ideal heroes for false leaders and oppressors like Fidel and Franco.

[Guest]

funny that, the reason the republicans failed in the Spanish Civil War is because towards the end, when the coalition was doing quite well, they decided to turn on their communist and anarchist allies, and try and wipe them out. They couldn't bear the idea of other ideologies actually sharing in their glory, or getting peculiar ideas in their heads about deserving some kind of say.

[Guest]

Quote: from Capitalist on 7:44 pm on Nov. 15, 2001
I think Castro used & still uses El Che for his own personal gain.

Although I'm of the moderate-right and my pig-headed capitalisitc ideas should not matter to you close-minded left wingers, I must agree that Fidel uses El Che's image has an effective tool of propaganda - much like Franco and his Fascist Regime used the image of Antonio for Spain's Facsist revolution against the Communist, Anarchist (both which I hate) and the Republic (the only rightful party in that revolution).

Dead People can not speak their minds nor defend their ideas. Which makes them ideal heroes for false leaders and oppressors like Fidel and Franco.

sorry that i say it but you are a pig! u come inhere to talk about che, and then start to critisise evrything he stood for? u do know there are also hate pages, iff i was ui would go there!

let me guess, u're EXTREMILY right, aren't u?

about fidel betraying che, no he did not, atleast that is my honest opinion, che decided to help the ppl in bolivia, and fidzel hadn't anbything to do with that, except he tried to help him! capitalist, are u somekind goverment-off-america-well-payed-worker-who-doesn't-works-atall-for-much-money-and-hate-che-and-fidel-coz-u're-country-asked-u?

i believe so

[HardcoreCommie]

Actually, the Spanish Republic was nominally controlled by Stalinist agents, and it was they who began the purge of the socialists, trotskyites, anarchists and republican elements.

[morningstar]

Quote: from gooddoctor on 12:37 am on Oct. 27, 2001
i've seen loads of castro's old comrades in interviews. they all looked bloody old to me. don't forget that the revolution was almost half-a-century ago, they aren't immortal, although che does seem like it sometimes.

hehe. dunno why but this strikes me as extremely hilarious.

[Kapitan Andrey]

HardcoreCommie...stupid! Stalin only helped republic to fight against Franco!!!
What agent's are you talking about!

About Fidel......I don't know, what to belive!!!

(Edited by Kapitan Andrey at 6:47 am on Jan. 19, 2003)

[Comrade Daniel]

Capitalist isn't allowed to vote in this topic! Why isn't he banned?

I donot think Fidel betrayed Che at all, how could he know che's would be murdered in Bolivia?

[MEXCAN]

I THINK fidel actually killed Camilo Cienfuegos.