Real vs ideal

[Markxs]

i think che is the ideal thing which didnt mix with the real thing castro

so the real uses the ideal to make the ppl think that the ideal will change the real but the power is whit the real and its not going to change itself

but castro also did good things

so true

better then batista

way

yes, he did

yes

but the freedoms are not there. He should trust the ppl by now. They have stuck by him

but he became as controlling as but let ppl life in the ilusion of socialism

espcially, the censoring of music, films,internet,anarchists etc.





ppl cant judge from other ppls thinking of good and bad they can only hate the ppl who decide

I would never support a socialism that did that...............

[Fantomas]

Amen to that

[booga]

im a bit confused since i am not studied in marxism and so far everything i have read on che doesnt talk about it in great depth. i am currently reading a book on the u.s. constitution which describes the term the "state" and it of course gives the u.s.'s definition of what the "state" is and then it defines "marx". i was suprised to find it in conflict with what the authors write on che and his definition of the "state". i thought i was living che's dream. unless its just another view of u.s. and their anti-che tactics. anyone?

[gogo gomez]

Quote: from Markxs on 5:01 am on Oct. 16, 2001

i think che is the ideal thing which didnt mix with the real thing castro

so the real uses the ideal to make the ppl think that the ideal will change the real but the power is whit the real and its not going to change itself

wow, im feeling that one. do you think that could stem from the seperation of church and state? im just grasping straws but i find it hard to believe that i live in the world that is "real" and i am given no authority or power to make it "ideal" . well really i can if i chose to ignore the rest of the world but some people just cant stop thinking about it i guess. (its crazy)

but think about it, if we combined church and state then it would be weird wouldnt it, something we've never experienced before, almost unimaginable.

"tripping on my tripas"

[Kez]

Surely if we want to improve the real, we should follow our ideals to the extent that they do become real.

comrade kamo

[red head]

castro is really starting to loosen up. i read something in time magazine (one of the biggest anti-communist propaganda machines in existence) that he invited the hip-hop group orishas to come talk to him. and he also invited the pope to cuba. that seems like loosening up to me. as far as not allowing political activity, i think he's just scared to death that cuba will return to the hellhole it was before. and he also purged the island of stalinist, so its for better or worse. cuba is better off that almost any, if not any country in south america as far as literacy, infant mortality, poverty, and starvation. he hasn't loosened up as much as i'd like, but then again, none of us know the full story. cuba has made advances, but i don't think they're quite at a point where democracy would work.

[Kez]

I agree with red, he has really loosened the grip of authority over the people.
He has invited many people over, and many people have gone on their own wishes, such as Gerry Adams, and the Manics etc.
Long live Fidel's spirit. He's a genuinly funny man, respect

comrade kamo

[Conghaileach]

But the thing is, even talking about democracy in Cuba, do you think that the US would keep their noses out and respect Cuba's sovereignty? I personally doubt it, and there are a number of good examples from the past when they interfered with elections in different countries - Chile, Grenada and, more recently, Venezuela for example.

[MJM]

I fear for Cuba's safety after Castro dies. After all the years of propaganda the people have been getting from the US I think they might turn to capitalism.
Hopefully they won't.
I think Castro should stand down before he dies so he can groom and help create a new leader rather than the shit hitting the fan and the US invading. I also wonder if the USSR hadn't have fallen if he would have done this in the 90's but now is too scared things won't come right without the USSR to help support Cuba.

[Kez]

I dont think the yanks will dare intefere militeralt in cuba, the fuckheads, otherwise, too many of us are gonna go apeshit, and moreppl will turn left.

comrade kamo

You want Direction? LEFT!

[El Commandante]

I don't think the American's would be able to get the backing from the world at large to do it. Not that it's stopped them before...

But Castro has prepared the country for possible invasion. I read that he has prepared underground bunkers under all of the major cities so they should cause problems for any possible yankee invaders. If they do invade then there would be a massive out cry, I think that it would be an issue that all the left wing groups would scream out against. Even British Labour, maybe not TB, but the hard core back benches for sure.

[I Will Deny You]

Normally, the US would have no problem with interfering with elections/governments. However Cuba's government is more high-profile than any other Latin American country's. It's one of the few governments that Americans care about, other than their own (and even then, we don't always care about our own). Bush can do whatever he wants and no major newspaper will report it (witness the media's ignorance when it comes to the current situation in Bolivia), but even The New York Times could not ignore Cuba.