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    Why did che fail in Bolivia? im researching a project and would like to hear others opinions of why he failed. Was it the wrong place? wrong time? or did the actual events lead to his "failure" ?
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    no support from fidel 0r not enough. fake communist pasrty in bolivia no help from them either traitors amongst the rev's . che's astma.
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    this has also been discussed on another thread but it was a while ago so i'll repeat what i think.

    first of all the time and place was wrong. the government had recently been overthrown and the people were very much in support of the newgovernment. they didn't feel oppressed and were in fact very hopeful. therefore, che didn't get the popular support he needed for his revolution to succeed. in fact a large part of che's demise was the fact that the people of bolivia kept telling of his whereabouts.

    the other factor was the lack of support from fidel. che asked fidel for support in the means of a few good revolutionaries but fidel never sent them.

    finally the involvement of the united states. they were training bolivians specifically to fight guerilla warriors like che. while the us didn't use things such as infared lights etc they did help train the bolivian army. while normally che might have overcome the army he was definately not able to do so with an american trained army. for more info on this theory see the book entitled "the death of a revolutionary".

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    But i kinda think that if Fidel would give Che the important support, Cuba's situation, that was already seen as the demon in America, would get even worse.
    Fidel thought more about his own country then his revolution....
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    Quote: from Ernestito on 2:09 am on Sep. 28, 2001
    But i kinda think that if Fidel would give Che the important support, Cuba's situation, that was already seen as the demon in America, would get even worse.
    Fidel thought more about his own country then his revolution....
    i'm truely sorry ernesto but i don't know what youare trying to say here
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    I believe that the campaign
    was aimed to fail.

    In a thread I write:

    "The USA thought that
    every rebel was communist,
    therefore they damned him.

    The CCCP thought that
    every rebel was communist,
    And they wanted all the people
    to think of every rebel as communist.

    At that time, Castro's revolution
    received help from the CCCP.

    Che was the almost-perfect
    revolutioary, but he was not
    a communist (or at list he
    stated so).

    So Che was a threat for CCCP.

    Che had two things to do:
    either to conform
    or to die.

    He chose death.

    He lost (or quitted,
    you name it) his
    posts and even the
    Cuban citizenship.

    Fidel had made a "secret"
    plan for the expendition. "

    Is it so difficult to understand
    why Che failed, if you know
    that he all Cuba, CCCP, USA
    were against him.
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    i agree prety much with what nickademus has said, che was in the wrong place at the wrong time. i think he brainwashed himself into thinking that his guerrilla warfare would work under any circumstance. oneof the principles of his idealogy was to make sure that the soldiers had support of the people. che neglected one of his cheif principles and he paid for it in the end also the fact that his army was tiny, at odds with what other people say, fidel did not abandon him, che's contacts to fidel were captureded so there was no way to know where he was. it would have been downright foolish for fidel to throw men into the fire. peace
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    He failed because of the following reasons :
    1.) There was no real support from the local communist party
    2.) They were not able to recruit a single peasant
    3.) They lost contact with Cuba in the last phase of the campaign
    4.) Che's asthma was another hindrance
    5.) I think Che's decision to separate the group was foolish
    6.) The Bolivian army got help from USA in terms of training them for guerilla war
    7.) and maybe he was the right guy at the wrong place at the wrong time

    ashleyuk1967, try to read the Bolivian diaries of Che
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    I believe the biggest single problem was the involvement of the CIA, and also the lack of any support from the Bolivian Communist Party leader (Monje) who fervently disagreed with a violent revolution.
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    I think Che failed in Bolivia because, even is tough to admit it, he was not a guerrillero. He did not had enough military training, as some said he was an Ideal guerrilla man, but he was not for real. He was the biggest thinker of the comunist-revolutionary movement of the second part of last century. All that he said was right, but the world wasn't listening, and not all the things that he and Marx and others thought were applyable to the real world. I guess he realised that wearing a gun was more difficult than when he wrote it. His ideals were crushed, and so was he. I've read that he was very dissapointed of himself. In my personal opinion all armed revolutions are a double edge weapon. The ideal part of communism is what is good, where it says that we are all equal, no matter where we live.

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