Was Che a tyrant?

[DarkBrown]

I read somewhere that Che Guevara controlled a court responsible for executing 600 political suspects after the Cuban revolutionary. No trial, just a knock on the door and a trip to the firing squad. Apparenty he snuffed out these people also, looking diligently to erase all threats to the new establishment. I am not sure about this charge, that is why I am asking.

[Nickademus]

i personally haven't heard this but i haven't done a whole ton of reading on che

[paris.]

That account is exaggerated by about 550 people, likewise all persons executed had a fair hearing.

[drunktank]

50 or 500..
is there a difference?

[Discipulo]

I'm not sure of the exact number of "fusilados", but 50 sounds closer to the truth than 500. Che was acting as Supreme Prosecutor of the revolutionary tribunals. The key word here is "tribunals". These people did have public trials, but they were the henchmen of the dictator who commited horrible crimes against their countrymen. Some of the trials were even conducted in a stadium to allow more people to be present. It was usually the people who were most vengeful and bloodthirsty, though. The great majority of the guilty were simply shot by a firing squad, a treatment more humane that what they did to their fellow Cubans.

"Prefiero morir de pie que vivir todo el tiempo arrodillado"
--Emiliano Zapata

CDG

[DaNatural]

according to the jon lee anderson bio, of che, it mentioned that from the time the rebels gained control in january till about june or may hey had excecuted 550. this was all done by trial, not randon killings. when fidel went to washington to meet with the us government he came under heavy fire from them over the executions. next time he met with raul and che, he told them to halt the killings in order to get on the better side of the states. che was upset because he stilll had alot more trials to conduct. so according to the bio which is held in high regard the number is about 550. peace

[Ernestito]

The opressed have the right to opress when the time has come.

[AgustoSandino]

no they don't. No one has a right to opress.

[Breast Pump]

Che was a great revolutionary but his murderes have been justified, thus having all these people praise him for the change he provoked in society and humanity.

Murder is justified at our convinience, there's humanity for you ...

[Breast Pump]

Murder is Murder is Murder. Who do you think you are? You can't come up with your own connotations of what "murder" is because you let YOUR feelings get in the way. Please, stop being so dramatic. If your views of Che's murders where the same of everyone else's, this would be a never ending debate, right? Case closed.
Oh ... what it is to be self righteous.

[Nickademus]

Quote: from Breast Pump on 4:11 am on Sep. 30, 2001
Murder is Murder is Murder. Who do you think you are? You can't come up with your own connotations of what "murder" is because you let YOUR feelings get in the way. Please, stop being so dramatic. If your views of Che's murders where the same of everyone else's, this would be a never ending debate, right? Case closed.
Oh ... what it is to be self righteous.

i agree with you. murder is murder, be it in querilla warefare, state sanctioned or random killings. and i believe murder is wrong. che paid for having that many people executed . . .. exhibit bolivia

[RedCeltic]

I think what it comes down to is if you believe the state, militery, or an individual has the right to deny someone of their life. Personaly, I consider it all to be murder.

However, then someone would say, " why are you pro choice then?" and my reply is simply that I don't think the state has a right to tell a woman what to do with her own body.... this get's a bit hazzy, but I'm not pro abortion, just pro woman's rights.

[Nickademus]

red celtic your new avatar is beautiful

and i am also pro-choice

[RedCeltic]

thanks... I figured it was time for a change, That photo of Eugene V. Debs was kind of getting on my nerves.

[Zippy]

Quote: from drunktank on 6:54 pm on Sep. 3, 2001
50 or 500..
is there a difference?

I dont imagine you did very well in Maths class.

Quote: from Ernestito on 4:39 am on Sep. 29, 2001
The opressed have the right to opress when the time has come.

Since when ?
I doubt anyone has the right to opress people.

Zippy.

[AntiHero]

Kill em all and let God sort them out. Meaning their fair punishment is in the afterlife (we hope).

[libereco]

Quote: from AntiHero on 5:27 am on Oct. 28, 2001
Kill em all and let God sort them out. Meaning their fair punishment is in the afterlife (we hope).

^-horseshit.


Anyway, about the killings...
Doesn't anyone see a parallel to the Nuremberg Trials for example?

[sabre]

Antihero thats terrible,

Ernestito, no one has the right to opress anyone

[booga]

well i havent gotten that far in my research on mr. guevarra but given his position im not surprised that he took lives. i guess what we have to remember also is that sometimes a balance is quite difficult to maintain but it is done even though it may appear that balance to be insane. what i mean is it's not easy to make a good change, no matter how glorious the end result. the important thing is to see the good in that person who is fighting and willing to die for his brothers. even Christ said he came not into the world to condem or judge but to bring division. go figure. i mean think what you like, it's your life. adelante!