What aspect of facism makes your blood boil the most?

[Operator]

don't be simple,

even the 'Liberal' supreme Mill said that limits should be placed on individual liberty in regards to freedom of speech, should i be allowed to stand outside the place where black people live preaching white supremacy or 'whites first' messages, accusing immigration for causing the ills in the lives of people. Should I be allowed to stand in a multi-cultural country and do the same thing? NO! Liberty stops where it infringes on the liberty of others and where it is deemed to be a obstacle to equality.

I disagree. As much as they sicken me I would give Islamist groups a voice, so long as they don't advocate violence. There will always be different opinions and political views and, just as there is no such thing as good, there is no set concept of right and wrong either, it is relative o the individual so it again mirrors fascism tp want to silence those you think are wrong.

there is no such thing as 'good' anyway, but you seem simple so i won't take everything you say at face value.

Given my lack of detail in my posts I shall not take offence, I assure you I am not simple merely because my revolutionary 'techniques' differ to yours.

Soho bombings for one, the many bnp affiliates and members who have criminal records for race related assault or abuse.

This was not under the leadership of Mr Griffin. The party has since been said to have reformed.

the German people wanted Adolf Hitler to a degree, that doesn't justify his rule as something the left should tolerate, when the state was threatened due to economic crisis, left uprisings etc it turned to fascists to take up the cause, it did in Italy the state and the press made the fascists into heros and played on nationalism to win support, it did the same in Germany, even in England the Daily Mail the creme of the Conservatvie papers supported the BUF.

People are often mislead to nationalism usually to their deaths, the manipulation of the working classes in the interests of the state (i.e. the rulers of that state) is no something I, or anyother committed leftist should ignore on some lofty Liberal principal

Under Hitler's leadership Germany was pretty much ressurected from the ashes. He rebuilt that nation. He was the only right choice for Germany at the time, it is merely unfortunate that he had skewered views regarding Aryan Supremacy, otherwise he may be one of the most respected leaders in history.
NB I personally despise National Socialism

Experience shows that when you treat far-righters as equals, you make them viewed as "respectable opponents" and hence as something you could legitimately vote on.

Many of them are.

what happened to freedom of speech? and of course those who make the laws do not want dissent to be open as it is they who fear revolution and they who manipulate the working classes, with the aid of fascists if necessary. The ruling classes will make whatever laws they need to smash the workers movement.

Didn't say not to say it, just mentioned it was against the law, hinting that the action would result in no long term positive outcome.

No platformism just isn't fascism. Would you call keeping a murderer in jail in order to stop him re-offending fascism? No. Taking away the rights of those who are a danger to society is not fascism

A murderer has broken the law.

You don't know, or have any experience of, or with fascists.
Youtube a video of them, come back, and then speak.

also, do you realize how obvious it is that you're a member of the BNP?

Is that aimed at me?? If so, LOL
Trust me, they wouldn't have me...

But I do have plenty of experience with fascists, first hand, not just through youtube.

[Everyone's Comrade]

If the BNP can be kept as just another political party then they wont change anything in the universities or in the streets. It has happened with the Danish Peoples Party And that Swiss party and the Freedom party in Austria.

These are all right wing populist parties. They wont take power because they are outside the establishment, but they cant control the streets because they are not a mass movement.

What Im trying to get at is: Is No platform against purely electoral parties an outdated policy?

And i think we bloody better start thinking about this cos these right wing populist groups are popping up everywhere, and most of them are much bigger and better funded than the BNP.

To be honest, the Freedom Party of Austria has done much better than the BNP. The Freedom Party got 18% of the national vote last election and one of their members is the Vice President in the Austrian parliament. If we factor in their splitoff right wing group which was led by the late Jorge Haider, the far-right took 29% of the vote. It's clear the no platform policy works better.

I also don't think far-right groups get much funding. Remember, all far-right groups cater to the working class problems (rather like the far-left) and so won't be recieving the backing of many rich businessmen. Sure, there's exceptions to every case, but by and large the right-wing parties funds are tiny compared with the other parties. I mean, Nick Griffin had to get his members to donate money to buy a truck for God sake!

[Melbourne Lefty]

I also don't think far-right groups get much funding. Remember, all far-right groups cater to the working class problems (rather like the far-left) and so won't be recieving the backing of many rich businessmen. Sure, there's exceptions to every case, but by and large the right-wing parties funds are tiny compared with the other parties. I mean, Nick Griffin had to get his members to donate money to buy a truck for God sake!

Sometimes it feels like we are fighting with the fash for the scraps from the big boys tables.

Not a good feeling.

Under Hitler's leadership Germany was pretty much ressurected from the ashes. He rebuilt that nation. He was the only right choice for Germany at the time, it is merely unfortunate that he had skewered views regarding Aryan Supremacy, otherwise he may be one of the most respected leaders in history.
NB I personally despise National Socialism

Yeah I wouldnt go that far, but people who write Hitler off as a frothing loony like he is seen in the movies are drastically undervaluating the threat.

Its a common view on the left that since we find the very idea of races to be obviously false or irrelevent to the scheme of things, that anyone who disagrees must be a knuckle dragging idiot.

Its whats behind a lot of the anti-fash work. Plus it makes ya feel superior which is always nice!

But in the end its not a smart way to look at the new brand of 'fascism' or right-populism. These people spent 40-50 years in the wilderness [depending on the country] until they finally realised that they could achieve their goals only if they dropped the fash line. It took em a while cos they REALLY liked it. Many of them still do as you can see from the average scumfront board.

But the ones who finally abandoned the fash past are not knuckle draggers, most of them are just as smart as us and as such are far more dangerous than the Blood and Honour types.

Some bonehead goes nuts and stabs an immigrant the public sympathy is with the victim. One person dies but the anti-racist message is pushed through.

The BNP wins a GLA seat and its the RACIST message that gets pushed.

They aint the dummies they once were. And a smarter brand of fash requires a smarter brand of anti-fash.

[Holden Caulfield]

The BNP wins a GLA seat and its the RACIST message that gets pushed.

the SWP who were due to be on the same platform as the BNP stood down from the discussion on the grounds of No-Platform, when the fash already have the platform not debating with them because we have some sort of moral high ground is counter-constructive, and merely hands them the platform and makes it seem like we cannot face them in a debate.

In this situation No Platform should be enforced by the people of the crowd, or the Leftist speaker should take the opportunity to debate with the BNP and destroy them in front of a large crowd

[Melbourne Lefty]

or the Leftist speaker should take the opportunity to debate with the BNP and destroy them in front of a large crowd

Yeah that would be prefered.

I mean come on, surely we can generate enough good speakers to shred a few racists?