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The BBC is far from neutral and only responds in anything near left wing way if its neutrality is publically thrown into question. Recently about Iraq it complained about Pentagon lies but that did not stop it from spining the war as a war of liberation. Nor did it point to as the only slightly objective bourgeois newspaper as it published Robert Fisk,"The Independent" did -It was the duty of the coalition of killing to stop the looting under the Geneva convention.
Here is examples of the BBC as a champion of imperialism, or criticism of it as such.
http://www.mailgate.org.uk/uk/uk.media.rad...e/msg01227.html
http://www.stanford.edu/~hunk/Publish/page4.html
http://lists.stir.ac.uk/archive/media-watc...h/msg00091.html
http://www.iranexpert.com/2002/jomhuriyees...i19december.htm
(Edited by peaccenicked at 11:09 am on May 27, 2003)
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Muriel Spark:
If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
As I find important material I will post it.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/www.bilderber...g.org/milne.htm
Man's dearest possession is life, and since it is given to him to live but once.He must so live that dying he can say, all my life and all my strength have been given to the greatest cause in the world, the liberation of mankind
Ostrovski
Muriel Spark:
If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
I like BBC but not BBC news. You can`t get objectiveness, or shall we say a leftist perspective, in TV news. Some written press still manages to maintain some quality.
Where the BBC deserve my praise in their BBC Learning programs. This is how you do public service TV people, with good open university type programs. Free education or just interesting programs that make a change from all the superficial shit you get everywhere else. The only problem with it is that its only on in the late hours of the night. It should be on during the day so that more working people can have a chance to watch these programs if they wish to do so.
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The BBC is a State institution it does play a positive role in public education but that is when it can be neutral.
The BBC for example is liable to tell history by empasising Britain's role and undermining other countries role. In real terms the BBC coverage of international history is by and large racist and neglectful of the realities of British imperialism.
However, there are exceptions and the censor seems to become paralysed by the weight of evidence. These programs tend to get swept under the carpet. Pilgers documentary on Palestine was shunned by the media in general. UK policy on Palestine should be based on it but its reportage is largely of Suicide bombers. There is some coverage of Isreali State Terrorism but it is sanitised as merely a reaction to Palestinian violence.
The reportage is a bloody disgrace.
http://www.honestreports.com/palestinereporting.asp
Man's dearest possession is life, and since it is given to him to live but once.He must so live that dying he can say, all my life and all my strength have been given to the greatest cause in the world, the liberation of mankind
Ostrovski
Muriel Spark:
If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
What ever you recon on the BBC it does not alter the fact it is the best TV available, it is miles better than ITV, sky, etc.
I find that the BBC news tries to be central, the reason why you find it bias as you want it to tell you every thing from a left wing perspective, so even central appears to be right wing to you. It also has many articals that you are unlikley to see anywhere else, which is also a bonus.
Also look at the comedy that BBC provides, all the best comedy series are on BBC.
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AK47 seems to forget that we are leftists, to us the truth is left. So how is it a surprise that we expect our information to bare a resemblence to truth?
The BBC and its plaudits claim forever that the BBC is the best TV in the World. It sounds like British nationalist crap to me. After seeing the Eurovision Song contest. After seeing one episode of 'Eastenders'...
It is like most BBC programmes unspeakable rubbish.
If it is the best in the world then the rest of the world must screen even more drivel.
BBC comedies are safe timid travesties of comedies with a few noticeable exceptions, which actually say something and make one laugh at the same time like MASH, SGt Bilko, Frasier.
You say there are centre papers in the UK. What is a centre paper.?
If it becomes between the truth and the Left, I choose the truth.
I dont want any lies but they come mostly from the right and the so called ''unbiased centre''.
A belief in an unbiased media is utter niavete.
The media is a tool of the Capitalist State.
Man's dearest possession is life, and since it is given to him to live but once.He must so live that dying he can say, all my life and all my strength have been given to the greatest cause in the world, the liberation of mankind
Ostrovski
Muriel Spark:
If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
It sounds like British nationalist crap to me.
What a heap of Crap, I hate ITV and they are a British broadcasting cohlition, they produce British TV as well, so by your logic ishould love them to. I like quality not nationalistic pride. However channel 4 does a few good documentarys.
Sounds more like that you have no taste. SGT Bilco dear god that crap, its not even remotly funny, it works on no mental levels, its just slapstick shit.
After seeing the Eurovision Song contest. After seeing one episode of 'Eastenders'...
Yes you deliberatly took crap, well done that just show how you argue by taking the worst possible examples of TV and make out that all BBC is like that.
If your going to do that look at what the opposition produses.
Big Brother
Im a celebraty get me out of here
Pop Idle
That is infinatly worse even that the Eurovision song contest which is shit.
which actually say something and make one laugh at the same time like MASH, SGt Bilko, Frasier.
You list these and call the rest of the BBC's commedy timid, i suggest you actualy watch some first, then youy would see that the stuff you have listed is very timid, compaired to Montey Python or Black Adder or Red Dwarf. What you listed is some of the most inoffensive timid crap to be broadcased, (with the exception of MASH which is great). SGT Bilco... my god.
Apart from MASH that is the most desestable crap that has cursed the BBC comedy department. (with the possible exception of "some mothers do have them".)
They are not nearly as good as comedys such as Have I got News For You, Black Adder, Dad's Army, Yes Minister, They think its all over, Only Fools and Horses, Red Dwarf, Monty Python, The Thin Blue line, Spitting Image, Porridge, Open All Hours, Stepto and Son, Not the Nine O'clock News, The Good Life, the office, The Royal Family and Fawlty Towers. These are but a few commedys which are leauges ahead of your list, in terms of actually making you think, and actual hummer, there are many many more this is just a short list of a few great commedys.
You say there are centre papers in the UK. What is a centre paper.?
I never mentioned a paper i have only commented on the BBC, which is supprisingly enough not a paper.
AK47 seems to forget that we are leftists, to us the truth is left. So how is it a surprise that we expect our information to bare a resemblence to truth?
A left wing opinion does exist that Stalin did not commit any of of the crimes he is accused of, if a newspaper went round saying all that was gospel would that be truthful even though its still left wing. What you suggest is nieve to say the least.
The media is a tool of the Capitalist State.
Then how do you account for left wing news papers then? Or are they simply there to provide an illusion, to fool the workers into submission?
Also when you actually bother to compair the BBC to other news sources you will find that they are very central compair them to the Sun or the Daily Mail etc see the differance.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
- Hanlon's Razor
It`s fair game to attack misinformation and propaganda where you suspect it to exist, moreso in the case of a public broadcaster. The argument is sound and has strength provided that a good, convincing job is done exposing the fallacies. Such critique is sound intervention from the left in 2003.
But of course I think we all understand that the BBC is not, and is not about to become, a subversive force. It is part of a social order, impregnated with the dominating ideas and outlook of the same. So, you attack the social order and its underlying ideas by attacking the BBC but you don`t really believe you can change the reflection of the self without first changing the self.
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<span style=\'color:red\'>"I still believe that peace and plenty and happiness can be worked out some way. I am a fool."</span>
-Kurt Vonnegut
<span style=\'color:red\'>"The hand-mill gives you society with the feudal lord; the steam-mill society with the industrial capitalist.”</span>-Karl Marx
AK47, as I said, and as you said, we judge bias based on OUR views, that is obvious. My view is not that stalin was a good man, so I'm not about to consider that truth, but it's not surpirsing that news that is more geared towards my views is what I'm looking for. That being said, I'm not going to ignore anything that isn't to my benefit, so long at it's still given from a leftist perspective. It's like the difference between hearing news about Palestinian terrorism being bad, and Palestinians being evil. Needless to say, I'm more receptive to the first, which is more likely to come from a leftist source.
We have opinions, no need to be ashamed of them. We have formed conclusions about the world, and view the world accordingly, a news source that shares in that liberated opinion, free from the influence of the oppressors, is of course preferable. Calling those sources biased is suicide, pretty much collaberation with the enemy. We're all guilty of it now and then. We'll get nowhere feeling we have to compromise or appologize for our views constantly.
Check out this site for unbiased news with a decidedly leftist slant :biggrin: (haha, get it?):Guerrilla News Network
Im not a member so i cant actualy read any of there articals unfortunatly.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
- Hanlon's Razor
The BBCs' too far to the left for me. Personally, I prefer FOX, and maybe a little CNN. Thank god us Americans are allowed the privilege of private brodcasting networks. I'd hate to have to put up with that state controlled euro-crap you brits have.
The BBC are a lot more nuteal that fox which just pumps out american properganda! Actaully this Sunday the BBC are doing a documentry about Al-Jazeera TV! MMM like thy do properganda! I don't think that American sations would do a documnetry about the other sides media and properganda!
Actually there is never any pro-euro propaganda or anti-euro. All that they show are political or news programs such as news night where polititians debate it infrount of the camera, which allows the viewer to see all sides of the argument. Very central thing to do.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
- Hanlon's Razor
I always watch newsnight and have for the past few years! Very good news programe!
The BBC were not afraid to be unpatriotic and to tell the truth! They would say these are prelimery reports and they haven't been confirmed etc!
In terms of beligrant state propaganda fox is also many times worse than the BBC. We do also have private broad casting. Sky, Cable and channels 3, 4, 5 all either have or are private broad casters.
The other advantage with BBC over other TV is we dont have irritating adverts every 10 mins unlike US TV which has so many adverts its insane.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
- Hanlon's Razor
The BBC is most defineteley racist, not to mention sectarian: it becomes the official Orange Order channel every July when it broadcasts the annual hate-fest over hear in the north of Ireland, not only that but we're FORCED to pay for this "service". Imagine the uproar if one of the American TV channels broadcasted KKK parades every year or even if the BBC broadcasted NF parades, this type of thing wouldnt be accepted elsewhere in the world...Fuck the BBC
The BBC do provide a lot e.g. a choir, educational programming, coverage of national events e.g. royal events, elections quite a lot really!
What the hell are you on about? Racist my ass. Name one program which is rascist on the BBC, I cant even think of a xenophobic program. Stop chatting out your ass, please.Quote: from Irish Republican on 6:00 pm on June 10, 2003
The BBC is most defineteley racist, not to mention sectarian: it becomes the official Orange Order channel every July when it broadcasts the annual hate-fest over hear in the north of Ireland, not only that but we're FORCED to pay for this "service". Imagine the uproar if one of the American TV channels broadcasted KKK parades every year or even if the BBC broadcasted NF parades, this type of thing wouldnt be accepted elsewhere in the world...Fuck the BBC
Aas for that stuff about the orange order whats wrong with broadcasting that exactly when they broadcast republican marches as well? I smell the fierce stink of hypocracy.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
- Hanlon's Razor
