http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...a-T-shirt.html
Pretty shocking stuff. Looks as if he'll get away with it aswell.
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Then someone better start getting 'class' mentioned as much as race in the public mind.
wont be easy.
Maybe not as much, but the racists are better at making that political correctness look like the 'oppression' of the elites.
And sadly they are partially right. Big business IS responsible for mass immigration, all capitalism is. This doesnt make most anti-immigration groups any less racist, but it does let them pose as the enemy of big business, and unless you havnt noticed, thats OUR damn job.
The problem is that when someone has just lost their job or had a wage increase denied because the boss is hiring out labour to a firm that uses lower paid non union immigrants.
Whats the answer? How do you get people to think in terms of class again? because if someone doesnt do something about it revolutionary left wing politics is dead, and what might come up in its place is not worth thinking about.
Whats the answer? Cos Obama sure aint it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...a-T-shirt.html
Pretty shocking stuff. Looks as if he'll get away with it aswell.
“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ”
Lenin
^^ if the guy came back that fast with an weapon and a dog he must live realy nearby in the neighoorhood so unless they police are total incompetent fuckups (wich they can be) they should catch him quick enough.
one day circeling the neghboorhood in an unmarked looking for bald headed knuckle-draging morons walking an big dog should get some results.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
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[FONT=Verdana]I think the problem stems from apathy. That’s the impression i get from my work place anyhow. In fact, to be fair, i believe that more and more people at work are actually getting more class conscious but they believe that it is in vain and impossible to change things. In many ways the rise in popularity of the far-right political parties is peculiar because they seem to get away with a lot more in the media, than they would have done, say, ten years ago. It’s almost like this is getting allowed to happen to try and divert the aggression. Sure sensationalism sells, but it does not help things and these so called 'populist' tabloids should know better. But this is the real 'birth-place' of modern anti-immigration. The racism and xenophobia that is coming with it is simply ignorance of people who get wound up by the headlines. If it wasn't for them, a lot of people would probably begin to see the real picture.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana] Sure Obama is not the answer, but its better to have headlines that state "USAs first black president" (A solid fact) than "immigrants claiming our benefits for nothing" (down to interpretation and definite over exaggeration). [/FONT]
yup, but most of the fascist/racist groups didnt get the support they di by sitting around and waiting for the newspapers to help them, even though the tabloids are anti-immigrant they are also anti-nazi [the word 'immigrant' and 'nazi' both make good headlines].
The racist parties of the far right got where they are today through community outreach. Reaching out to white working class communities that feel themselves forgotten.
When the rev left groups do the same as they seem to approach working people according to their class. How many people on this board have seen outreaches to a community based on the fact that it is an oppressed ethnic minority and not based on class consiousness building?
Personally I think that telling black people in America or Aboriginals in Australia or south asians in the UK to think of themselves soley in terms of an ethnic or religious group and that they should organise to defend themselves on that basis is counterproductive.
If you get all the black kids in the neighbourhood to think of themselves as black first and everything else second then the white kids or the hispanic kids in the area will begin to see themselves in the same way, not as members of a united working class, but as members of an ethnic group with its own interests.
what does everyone else think? Its a little left field but it has always struck me as a faint feeling of wrongness about this issue on the left. People talk about the colour blind working class then go out and teach people to think in terms of colour.
^^ what we tell people is that they should defend their multi-ethnic socity , that they should refuse to be set against each other and that its importand to fight instututional racism aswell as the lunatic right-wing fringe (and then we sneak in some anti-capitalism for those that are intrested in the undelying causes)
we dont teach people to think in term of colour (the political partys and media are doing a swell job at that), we help them to understand the workings of coloured politics.
but i do think there is nothing wrong with pride without predjuidice, my old neighborhood was a blast during the football championships. everybody proudly displaying the flags from their country of origine but after holland was kicked out the last time, all the dutch whiteys in the block rooted for turkey.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
it all seems like a joke until someone decides enough is enough and takes action. what do you guys think is gonna happen when one of these knuckle dragging neo fascist nazi scumbags takes a shot at the new prez? maybe i am just paranoid but i have noticed a serious increase in firearm sales over the last few months.
i live in a part of the country where the word nigger is still used as a term of extreme derision. racism is alive and well in this area and as always, ignorance is the breeding ground for groups like SF to spread their propaganda. groups like theirs will become stronger and spread like wildfire.
whether people admit or not we are sitting on a powderkeg and all it will take is one of these ignorant rednecks to get all liquored up and decide he wants to "take back America". like i said, maybe i am just paranoid.
[FONT=Verdana][/FONT][FONT=Verdana]To be fair I am beginning to get the impression the main reason for the far rights (mainly BNPs) success of recent times has a lot to do with the rather evident impending collapse of modern liberal democracy. Might sound much but one of the reasons that these initial fringe parties get success is that they are totally contra to the norm of the big three, who have totally alienated themselves from the British public. Like you said they are reaching out to the working classes and making them feel a part of something. Basically, the have become one of the largest protest votes in British history (the lib dems do not count). In this sense I question whether the far right parties have attained their following via their actual policies. I think that they have played on the nationalist prose via posing as patriotic. This is actually in nowadays an old fashioned and traditional value (im not saying that there is anything wrong with being patriotic though). Even though a lot of people (right-wingers mainly) may scoff at this, it is capitalism and the global economy which has made patriotism old fashioned, simply because no nation can be entirely self-sufficient anymore. Anything that one county has (and at one time used to pride itself on) is most likely supplied buy other countries primarily or belongs mainly to a larger spectrum of forces. For example, the British Army though still one of the best on the planet, is more a part of Nato than it is its own entity like it used to be. Also things like food industries in the UK are slowly dieing out now to better and cheaper supplies being imported from abroad.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]What is most shocking though is the synomonous rise of racism that has come with it, especially from people who were never racist before because though I despise the BNP and know that they are without a doubt a vile racist organisation, you do not have to be racist to support them. I suppose that this is more a factor of people getting sucked in by a sense of protest, and then getting repetitively hammered by their (BNPs) both obvious and subtle racist propaganda that they actually begin to believe it. Then one thing simply leads to another.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]As for you opinions of how the left have dealt with race in the past, I totally agree with you. All through my life, even as a kid, I always respected people of my class as equals regardless of colour. In fact, I loath it when people mention race. It is as you have virtually said a form of segregation. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]All of this affirmative action that has happened in the last 20 years is positive and has served its purpose, but at this point in time, I’m starting to see it as counter productive, as people are people no matter what and shouldn’t be either negatively or positively discriminated against because their appearance and demeanour. I suppose this is where I have become viciously anti-nazi from, as even as a very young child living in a mostly white area of the UK, I always knew that fundamentally we are all equals and that race theory of any kind is absolute bullshit without question. This had a follow on effect to capitalism in later life as a lot of capitalists (not all though) are racist chauvinists, even if they do not see it themselves (this isn’t the only reason I oppose capitalism obviously)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]What does puzzle me is how people have played on this segregation, by linking things that are dominated by certain ethnicity as that particular ethnicity. Take for example, hip hop and rap now getting referred to in popular culture as ‘black music’. It is almost as if people believe that these African American hip hop artists have done this because it is natural to them because they are ‘black’ (and that anyone who is of a different ethnicity is trying to be ‘black’) rather than the simple reason that it of socio-economical nature of growing up in a racist society of America during the 50/60/70s. [/FONT]
I know most on the left like to laugh at the idea that groups like the bnp could have thinkers amongst their ranks, but they do. Those are the dangerous ones.
I remember seeing a youtube vid of Nick Griffin [dont ask for a link] where he was speeling out the BNPs message on the economy.
Its practically autarky, with a dose of decentralisation of the economy for good measure. They somehow think that small farms create more goods than large ones, and that by encouraging this, and the consumtion of products as close as possible to the source, like small towns taking the majority of their food from the surrounding countryside.
They believe that this will make their country more self sufficient and ecologically friendly.
Of course part of the reason that this self sufficiency would be possible is that quite a lot of people would have left Britain very suddenly leaving the place far less crowded...
Probably not the best to think about.
So in short the euro-nationalism of groups like the BNP seems to be a reaction AGAINST modern capitalism more than anything else. Modern capitalism creates mass immigration and the outsourcing of industry, and mass supermarket chains mean that food is sourced far from where it is consumed creating sustainability issues.
Of course they dont have any real answers to these problems, but that does not mean they wont profit from them.
Its also a mistake to think they dont care about the enviroment and that the emphasis they put on it is for show, remember "blood and soil"? They see the 'race' as being the same as the 'place'.
They may be small in the UK, but this strain is not going to go away, and it targets the very working class areas that many left groups should be out in now.
This is actually something that makes me laugh about the bnp. They seem to send out a message that if they where voted in power, all of a sudden as if by magic...the 'outsiders' will disappear. Infact, i can honestly imagine that they get images in their minds reminisant of that of the Jews in Germany 'obediantly' getting on ships to more 'tolerant' foreign lands during the Nazi times. So much for them not being racists or nazisIts practically autarky, with a dose of decentralisation of the economy for good measure. They somehow think that small farms create more goods than large ones, and that by encouraging this, and the consumtion of products as close as possible to the source, like small towns taking the majority of their food from the surrounding countryside.
They believe that this will make their country more self sufficient and ecologically friendly.
Of course part of the reason that this self sufficiency would be possible is that quite a lot of people would have left Britain very suddenly leaving the place far less crowded...
Probably not the best to think about. Anyhow, thinkers or not, they dont seem to have much concept of international law or they way in which other countries would respond to such behavior. They talk about self sufficiency like it is very easy to get sucess with, but what about bad harvests etc? If that was to be the case, who says that the UK wouldnt get isolated from the rest of the world? Sanctions, trade embargo etc. I would have to say that it would be an immense double standard for no action to be taken.
you dont comprehend.
They see themselves as the saviors of their people, economic woes as a result of this salvation dont mean anything.
For us its like looking at Cuba and admitting that while its not a paradise, its sure as hell better than it was when it was practically a US/mafia colony.
They see todays Britain as being the equivilent of Batistas Cuba. ANYTHING that leads to something better [in their eyes] is worth it.
Also I think you are right when you say that the BNP are up there because they are the party that the establishment hates, and thus make a wonderful protest vote for working class people wanting to send a middle finger to the Labor party.
The question of course is why werent we the winners from such a period of disillusionment?
Why did respect fail in all but muslim areas? Why did the Socialist alliances fail outside of Scotland [and to a lesser extent Wales]?
WHY! Why would working class people use fascists for their protest votes instead of people who might actually make their lives a little better?
