Anyone here who doesn't like Che?

[PhoenixAsh]

I have one too. A brown one...with a yellow Che. Because fuck him and jeeeej for commercialization and consumerist culture.

[PhoenixAsh]

So am I, but only because I had no other sleep shirt

You do realize that we now have to add your name to the list of people-we -have-to-kick-in-the-shins-for-perpetuating-the-frog-thing after the revolution, right? Even though you are part of the we don't really like Che but we bought his T-shirt because we were drunk that one time and thought it was cool-club

[Hrafn]

My father bought me a Che-shirt, years ago, as some type of sarcastic statement about my at the time newfound radicalism. Quite striking.

[#FF0000]

My father bought me a Che-shirt, years ago, as some type of sarcastic statement about my at the time newfound radicalism. Quite striking.

Passive aggressive gifting is the best gifting

[Brutus]

Passive aggressive gifting is the best gifting

Ikr. My mum got me 3 books on the eastern bloc and Stalinism

[Sinister Intents]

Ikr. My mum got me 3 books on the eastern bloc and Stalinism

Books are always awesome

Also I detest the Stalinist Che Guevera. I used to like Che and I learned a few Che quotes that were nice, but yeah I don't like Che.

[motion denied]

Who else's got a Che t-shirt?

Also, how can you not like the man (I'm not reading the thread).

[GiantMonkeyMan]

I've got a t-shirt which is Chewbacca posed like Che with 'Viva La Rebellion' underneath. Che-bacca.

[Sea]

Che is a revolutionary symbol for all Latin American youth, a symbol of those who disobey and challenge Yankees in their backyard. Guess that RL not liking him tells me something.

Westerners have a good reason for not liking Che:

https://www.google.com/#q=che+clothing

Guess how many of those are communists. Just guess. Can you feel the spectacle yet?

[erupt]

Personally, I think he'd of had a lot to say about his "comrades" both nationally inside Cuba, and internationally like the USSR, China, North Korea, etc. had he not been assassinated. His belief in international solidarity most likely led him to bite his tongue as long as he did concerning his qualms with the USSR, or the Chinese spies that were following him around, or his qualms with Yugoslavia, or his noticing of the diminishment of international solidarity and what he claimed was the growing of exploitation of the Southern Hemisphere by the Northern Hemisphere in general.

I think his resigning from his positions of power in Cuba, his renouncing of his Cuban citizenship, his slow public separation from Castro and the withering away of his and Castro's friendship, and his restarting his guerilla excursions show some of the reasons of a disillusionment in the bureaucratism of Cuba, as well as other state-capitalist "socialist" countries and his irritation at the subordination of other "socialist" countries to the Soviet Union. He starting looking for alternatives to the state-capitalist method late in his life; a lot changed in the way Guevara viewed the (socialist) world in the last two years of his life.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Guevara, the economist and theoretician of guerrilla warfare, is actually interesting, even though obviously I don't agree with either the guerrilla road or socialism in one country.

Che, the great revolutionary hero who fights imperialists and doesn't afraid of anything, has been turned into a retch-inducing sight by commodification.

Ernesto the Cuban minister was prominent in Cuban politics when seriously dodgy things were happening. Ultimately I don't see that much of a difference between Guevara and, say, Honecker or Novotny.

[erupt]

Guevara, the economist and theoretician of guerrilla warfare, is actually interesting, even though obviously I don't agree with either the guerrilla road or socialism in one country.

Che, the great revolutionary hero who fights imperialists and doesn't afraid of anything, has been turned into a retch-inducing sight by commodification.

Ernesto the Cuban minister was prominent in Cuban politics when seriously dodgy things were happening. Ultimately I don't see that much of a difference between Guevara and, say, Honecker or Novotny.

I agree until the very last sentence; as far as that statement goes, rather than holding on to his position of power in Cuba, Guevara left and resumed his guerilla activities (whether one views them as futile or not).

I never learned of any European state-socialist leaders who just resigned and picked up a machine-gun again, so I can't compare him to the likes of Hoenecker, Novotny, etc. Honestly, even though the economics are much different, Guevara and Tito had more in common in the fact that they both physically fought (at different times, obviously) in what they thought (or claimed) was the "international proletarian revolution", and they both (again, regardless of personal opinion) had enough fortitude to give opposition to the USSR, even if their reasons were different.

Please, no one take this like I'm taking any sides, whether it's Guevara, Tito, Novotny, Stalin, or Krushchev...I'm simply trying to be as fair and analytical as possible.

[huey]

Che was the real deal, absolutely, and he paid for it dearly in the end, with his life. His boy Fidel was basically a sell out....and that's why Che 'disowned' him.

[4thInter]

Actualy, Che heavily criticised Stalin. Read the Fidel Castro autobiography ("My Life: Fidel Castro), he makes it all clear.

Really? I wasn't aware of this, thanks comrade.

[Igor]

Ikr. My mum got me 3 books on the eastern bloc and Stalinism

i got "mao: the unknown story" as a christmas gift few years back

hoo boy is that a bad book or what

[4thInter]

Che was an anti-working class Stalinist.



It is.

Devrim

Wheres your proof to your claim?

[Devrim]

Wheres your proof to your claim?

Which claim, the one that Guevara was an anti-working class Stalinist, or the one that Cuba is capitalist?

Devrim

[ProletariatPower]

To me Che Guevara was a hero. I don't agree with all of his theories, but he was a true revolutionary who acted against injustice, rather than someone who sat on the sidelines. I don't consider him a Stalinist, as someone pointed out he opposed Stalinism. He sought to liberate the third world, Cuba's alliance with the USSR was more one of convenience than actual Stalinism. He was a true Revolutionary who really believed in Revolution, he was willing to sacrifice his life for that, he was not interested in personal power and he never gave up the struggle, that's why I admire him. Hasta la victoria siempre.