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Here is my compiled list of why Communism failed as I understand them from Commies:
1) It is too complicated to explain.
2) We still tinkering with a workable model, or in other words were gonna make it more complicated.
3) We were sabotaged by capitalist. Like it took capitalist to teach Russian CCCP and Chinese Maoist how to be corrupt.
4) Denial? What failure? The CCCP and China were not really communist.
5) Accusations towards failed coutries, "They are traitors."
Did I miss anything?
Peace is just like war. You get it when both sides want it.
yeah, communism
"...as I understand them..."
And therein lies your problem, kelvin90701. Understanding is something that cannot be taught to those unwilling to make the effort.
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1. Communism is easy it is against stupidity.
2.Capitalism is not working, it is destroying humanity.
3. All corruption Stalinist or capitalist is the enemy of humanity.
4. Communism will always be a failure until the last oppressed person is free.
5. Betrayal has indeed the main problem of the workers movement. We know much better how to spot them.
(Edited by peaccenicked at 3:16 am on April 3, 2003)
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Socialism has not failed in Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam...
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I would like to formally address the issue of Russia and CHina.
Before I do this, however, I would like to point out that China is still admittedly COMMUNIST, despite what the right wing media so blatantly lies about. Its all in the language. At worse, China has a slightly modified communist system. Sort of like a modified free enterprise system. If you believe what these rags of papers report, you'd think that CHina is already waving the stars and stripes overhead. Now that that has been handled.
Russia, on the other hand, is a whle other matter. It is very difficult to dispute the collapse of the soviet empire. I mean we all saw the collapse of the berlin wall, right? Then again, I saw Wag the Dog, but this is not my point. Lets just pretend that the USSR did collapse. Now, how long do you think it will take to change? According to you free enterprise lovin fascists, the change is instantaneous. Like Optimus Prime transforming from a rig to a robot. You go to bed, wake up the next morning and the next thing you know you're eating cheerios and drinking tang and reading the free enterprise press. I don't think so. It will take decades before the capitalist model can be introduced in any meaningful way into russia. And before that time, there is always the chance of liberating the social model back into a communist one. Popular opinion in russia, right now, is vastly in favour of restoring the communist government. Yet you claim that communism, as applied to russia, failed. Sure.
And still CHina is being cited as a failure. Can you really be so naive? China is still a fully functioning communist nation. Russia is on the verge of restoring a communist government. Then you got Cuba, Korea and all of the socialist loving europeans. The odd man out here is the USA. And by my score, they're not only losing, they've already lost.
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Socialism does not equal a glorified wefare state, no matter that must be defended. Socialism does not equal beseiged isolated one party states no matter how much their national soveriegnty should be defended.
Socialism is best defined as the ending of all poverty for that, dear comrade, we need the vast resources of this planet.
(Edited by peaccenicked at 3:37 am on April 3, 2003)
Man's dearest possession is life, and since it is given to him to live but once.He must so live that dying he can say, all my life and all my strength have been given to the greatest cause in the world, the liberation of mankind
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Muriel Spark:
If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
Kelvin. Research your beloved system for your self. And then research communsim. And then read a book called The Real World of Democracy by Macpherson. Then tell come back and make a dumbass post.
Some aspects of Chinese society are still communist...such as:
But for the most part China is a capitalist country:
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whatever
say, where did that post go where you had the pic of the dude who was protesting the protesting?
I can't find it anywhere
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Lover, your posts makes no sense. Care to explain, Lover? How is a dead bloody guy copmmunistic, Lover? How is tanks rolling down the street communistic, Lover? How is a skyline capitalistic, lover?
I felt like using "lover" excesively, sorry, I found it amusingly disturbing.
victor:
I tried to say all of things when I said "whatever"
u said it a whole helluva lot better
thanks
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Now I truly understand how a raving right wing lunatic
can be spotted.
Man's dearest possession is life, and since it is given to him to live but once.He must so live that dying he can say, all my life and all my strength have been given to the greatest cause in the world, the liberation of mankind
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Muriel Spark:
If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
They are indicative of communisms ability to kill millions and illegitimately use power to instill fear and remain in control of a population.
How is war militaristic? How is money capitalistic? Think about it. Skylines indicate the accumulation of wealth expereinced by capitalist socities. One of the buildings even has "JCV" on it.
Deluded lateral thinking? Perhaps.
Not your classical Aristotlean or everyday sort of logic.
Man's dearest possession is life, and since it is given to him to live but once.He must so live that dying he can say, all my life and all my strength have been given to the greatest cause in the world, the liberation of mankind
Ostrovski
Muriel Spark:
If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
Kelvin:
those saying that are traitors ;-)
Liberty Lover China is NOT Communist, Socialist or anyhing remotlty left-wing. It is a Fascist state and has been for decades.
The people who were massacred at Tinamen were carrying portraits of Mao, the people who gave the order to fire are rich Capitalists. Simple as that.
But you come up with this rubbish, 'Everything bad in China, result of Communism. Everything good result of Capitalism'.
Infact the massacre is more common in freedom loving Capitalist societies. See Chile, Salvador, Argentina etc etc.
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The World Revolution is ongoing history. Even if you win the war, which I don’t think you will, the World Revolution will not and cannot be stooped by military means, Your very powerful army can do much harm to us, can kill many of our people - but it cannot kill ideas! Its movement might seem dormant to you at the moment, but it s there and will come to the fore again out of the awakening of the poor, the downtrodden orginary people the world over in Africa, the Americas, in Asia and Europe too. People in their masses will one day understand that it is the power of capital over them which not only oppresses and robs them, but stifles their human potential, which either uses or discards them as mere pawns to make monetary profit out of the,. Once the people grasp that idea, it will mature into an almost material force in popular uprisings like spreading wildfires and will do what has to be done in the name of humanity. It will not be Russia who will do it for them, although the Russian working people were the first who have borken the chains. The people of the will do it for themselves in their own countries, against their own oppressors, in their own ways and in their own time!’
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Hazard, I disagree with you about China, China is a mess, look at all the abuses of Human Rights, they've got one of the worst records in the world, I would not call them Communist or succesful.
Russia's confusing, I don't know enough about it.
The problem with Cuba is that it isn't democratic, but apart form that it seems fairly succesful.
What communism needs is a different mind-set to capitalism, a vastly different mind-set. The problem with it is that this mindset is quite easily corrupted by capitalism at the moment, but in the future, as capitalism reveals it's flaws then the left will become stronger and people will realise that there is much more to life than money, there is a more spiritual kind of well-being, to do with fulfilling yourself mentally and feeling the warm glow of co-operation, rather than the kind of fulfillment from a fat pay check and winning the financial race.
People are realising this, slowly but surely, and when more secrets come out about this corrupt war then people will see ever more flaws. As seen from the recent protests, the youth in Britain is not as apathetic as assumed, and this will spread.
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Cuba is very democratic. I am writing a very long post to this forum totally dedicated to the Cuban Revolution and I will adress the democracy issue in it. Stay tuned to OI.
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Chinas genaral working ethic is still very much socialist, but the chinese communist party is mostly corrupted by big US businesses wanting to use chinas cheap labour.
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