Don't vote. It only encourages them.
Vote for Obama --- (lesser of 2 evils, gradualist approach)
Vote for McCain --- (hasten "real" Revolution through more disaster)
Vote Green party --- (at least you'll have clean air while you get screwed)
Vote for the SWP Candidate Róger Calero
Stay Home and not validate the process
Go light a tire on fire in the middle of the highway instead
Move to Canada
Write in Eugene V. Debs --- (beats "Mickey Mouse")
Write in Ron Paul !!! --- (hahaha ... I'd prefer Mickey)
Other (name below)
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Best option (in your opinion) for an American Marxist ?
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Don't vote. It only encourages them.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day. - Douglas Adams
Political Compass: -9.62, -8.21
Furthermore, voting (in terms of democratic theory) is a tacit validation of the candidate. You are basically saying: "I support this candidate as a representative of my interests, to rule over me for the next four years."
Consciously withholding one's vote is the best option.
- August
If we have no business with the construction of the future or with organizing it for all time, there can still be no doubt about the task confronting us at present: the ruthless criticism of the existing order, ruthless in that it will shrink neither from its own discoveries, nor from conflict with the powers that be.
- Karl Marx
go and paint this on the paper:
i dont know if you cant go,if you cant just dont waste your time for arseholes!
Fuserg9
ANARCHO
COMMUNISM
You're never over
"Tactical voting" isn't a bad idea. Personally, I'd vote for the party that could stop the anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-war, neo-cons remaining in power. It makes sense. Withholding your vote achieves nothing at all.
“Left wing, chicken wing, it don't make no difference to me.” - Woody Guthrie
Vote for the best possible, or use your vote to try and block the worst. I suppose for you that'd be McCain, so vote for whoever will best keep him out of power. Or vote for the most left-wing group, so the SWP, depending on your ideals.
Its like tactical voting over here, where voting for the party who you most agree with can be counter-productive because thats a wasted vote as that party has no chance of election, so you should use your vote to keep out the worst.
Labour over here sometimes encourage people to vote Lib Dem in areas with little Labour influence to keep out the Conservatives.
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
I might vote for Obama, or McKinney, or PSL. But I don't know. The fraction of difference is little.
"We are now becoming a mass party all at once, changing abruptly to an open organisation, and it is inevitable that we shall be joined by many who are inconsistent (from the Marxist standpoint), perhaps we shall be joined even by some Christian elements, and even by some mystics. We have sound stomachs and we are rock-like Marxists. We shall digest those inconsistent elements. Freedom of thought and freedom of criticism within the Party will never make us forget about the freedom of organising people into those voluntary associations known as parties."
--Lenin
Socialist Party (Debs Tendency)
And which party would that be, exactly? Surely not the anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-war, neo-liberal democrats?
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
“Left wing, chicken wing, it don't make no difference to me.” - Woody Guthrie
I'll fill out the majority of the ballot, but probably leave the president portion blank.
Again.
-KRS-
Whats the ballot paper look like in the US? What options do you get come election time?
Ivan "Bonebreaker" Khutorskoy16.11.2009"We won't forget, we won't forgive"
Why would you encourage people to vote for one half of the business party rather than the other?
I fail to see how Obama is going to be significantly better than George W or McCain.
Why not? At least Obama has liberal policies.
“Left wing, chicken wing, it don't make no difference to me.” - Woody Guthrie
Yeah. Like putting more troops in Afghanistan, swearing alliegance to Israel, and invading Darfur to end "genocide" which would obviously lead to another war much like the catastrofuck in Iraq.
Just a side note, liberal policies is not what us Leftists should aim for at all. Liberalism in the modern sense of the word here in the US just represents an illusion of more power for the people. The reality is that all that they offer us is scraps and that is all. If we want more, we cannot work within the system but must destory it completely.
Liberalism, in whatever variety it might stand for, has always been the enemy of Communism.
Yeah. I'm not disputing any of this. But since a socialist party is unlikely to be elected, it is only common sense.
“Left wing, chicken wing, it don't make no difference to me.” - Woody Guthrie
"The socialists are unlikely, therefore vote for their opponents" is not only a non-sequiter, it's self-fulfilling.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day. - Douglas Adams
Political Compass: -9.62, -8.21
I would recomend either not voting at all in order to devalidate the so called "democratic" institutions. In the case of the U.S. I say one could also vote for some third party in order to undermine the two party system and the democratic party.
Even though i live in the u.s. i can't vote because i live here ilegally so no voting is the default option for me
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FREEDOM IS SLAVERY!
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH![/FONT]
-INGSOC slogans
I voted for option one.
He probably won't be significantly better, but he'll probably be somewhat better. He's supporting some things that are marginally pro-union that could be beneficial to labor organizing in the future. Some members here are cynical about it, but I think it remains the best option given how weak the left is on a national level.
"delebo inquit hominem"
"You are my creator, but I am your master.''
Yeah, that's pretty much the logic behind it.
Luckily for me though, I don't live in the US and will not have to vote in such shenanigans.
“Left wing, chicken wing, it don't make no difference to me.” - Woody Guthrie
I recommend not voting or how about a revolution? I thought the constitution was clear that if you have a dictatorship you should over throw it, I know they are elected but the system is stuck between 2 parties who hold very minor differences well maybe not so minor but the freedom of democratic choice is not there in a majority system.
Revolt!
hehe
or vote Obama as voter turnout is already low and the large amounts of non voters has not caused changes to be made in the system.
