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    In my opinion,tonight was just the warming up of Americans on the war against Iraq!?Bush did not say officially,but in my mind,war is imminent!!!

    What was hilarious to me,was his speech on healthcare and unemployment.
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    he promised to help the africans with AIDS.

    he better not fucking lie about that.

    if he is lying, than he is just a morbid bastard.
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    here is a transcript of bush's speech http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/28/...ript/index.html
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    he also said that if he bombs Iraq,he will also make sure to give aid to the people and give them FREEDOM !!!
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    wow what an akward picture.
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    I find it funny that they said the US and strong aliances conquered Iperialism and communism...

    The US never conquered Communism..the soviet union fell on it's own

    not to mention the US is imperialist

    and I counted 416.6 billion projected for programs that bush wants to implement

    not to mention the upcoming war on iraq qhich if prolonged will cost and estimated 2 trillion

    and the threat of war with North Korea

    so a war on two fronts?

    Thats 2 trillion 4 hundred 16 billion 6 hundred thousand dollars not including war with n. korea

    and bush's tax cut is only charging some people 45 dollars in income tax?

    And cutting tazes on investing?

    Is Bush trying to bankrupt this country?
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    [quote]Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:01 am on Jan. 29, 2003
    I find it funny that they said the US and strong aliances conquered Iperialism and communism...

    "The US never conquered Communism..the soviet union fell on it's own"

    Come on, lardlad. To claim the Soviets simply fell on their own is to expose your lack of understanding of the cold war.

    The soviet union fell in the most part because, in an nutshell, they were "outspent" by the USA. The USA and the USSR were in an arms and industry race that tested the mettle of each respective economy and ideology. Eventually, the Soviet-style central and closed economy found that it could not outspend or sustain itself like free-market capitalism, and it thus collapsed. Without the US to compete with, the USSR would probabluy still be around today. Not only did the US play a part in the fall of the Soviet Empire, the US was the major benefactor of it's fall.

    "not to mention the US is imperialist"

    Not with regard's to territory in the last 100 years. Any economic or cultural imperialism you refer to would be an incorrect definition at best, as we are merely extending a sphere of influence in those respects, wholy different from imperialism.

    "and I counted 416.6 billion projected for programs that bush wants to implement"

    I thought you leftists loved government programs.

    "not to mention the upcoming war on iraq qhich if prolonged will cost and estimated 2 trillion"

    Liberating an oppressed nation from a murderous, dictatorial regime, and securing our petroleum interests in the region? Money well spent if you ask me. At least I can see my tax dollars going to something worthwhile for a change.

    "and the threat of war with North Korea"

    Well, last time I checked they were the ones directly threatening war, as we are trying to acheive a diplomatic solution to the saber-rattling of a paranoid stalinist relic. THe DPRK would be well advised to accomodate our diplomatic approach, as in the end there is no way they can take us on.

    "so a war on two fronts?"

    Well, we've done it before.

    "Thats 2 trillion 4 hundred 16 billion 6 hundred thousand dollars not including war with n. korea"

    It will help pump activity back into the economy. Besides, much of this government spending is going to social programs that are usually much-heralded by leftists such as you.

    "and bush's tax cut is only charging some people 45 dollars in income tax?"

    Yes, the poor are getting a big break.

    "And cutting tazes on investing?"

    In an effort to spur investment activity.

    "Is Bush trying to bankrupt this country?"

    These economic initiatives will hardy bankrupt us. What will bankrupt us is sitting around doing nothing and allowing the false economy that Billy C. built to dwindle down even further into an abyss of futility.
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    Liberating an oppressed nation from a murderous, dictatorial regime

    Can you name even a single incident where the U.S. installed a regime that was better than the last one since WWII?

    'Cause I can name a billion that are a whole lot worse, Impsky. Just ask.
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    Quote: from MEXCAN on 3:32 am on Jan. 29, 2003
    In my opinion,tonight was just the warming up of Americans on the war against Iraq!?Bush did not say officially,but in my mind,war is imminent!!!

    What was hilarious to me,was his speech on healthcare and unemployment.
    In my opinion, war with Iraq has been eminent since dubya came to power.
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    I thought it was especially ironic that he mentioned how we will provide the Iraqi people with food, medicine, and clothing, just as we did the Afghans, when the only reason the Iraqi people are without food, medicine, and clothing is the trade embargo we ourselves have imposed on them to weaken their economy. Bush is a true humanitarian. If only more people had a heart like him.

    Capitalist Imperial:
    Not with regard's to territory in the last 100 years. Any economic or cultural imperialism you refer to would be an incorrect definition at best, as we are merely extending a sphere of influence in those respects, wholy different from imperialism.

    I want an explanation as to how America is not imperialist, rather than simply coloring up the wording to make it look less oppressive. I won't argue with you. We certainly ARE extending our sphere of influence. Britain extended their sphere of influence when they were an imperial power. Japan extended their sphere of influence when they were an imperial power. We're doing the exact same thing, only in these post-industrial post-monarchial times we are conquering the global economy, inherently giving us more political influence in the plutocratic society we have propped up before us.

    We're waging a war with Iraq so that we can gain control of their oil. We aren't doing it to disarm Saddam, because he's that much of a threat to us. Bush doesn't have the credibility to stand on this argument. Why aren't we sending weapons inspectors to Syria, which is suspected of possessing chemical and biological weapons as well, and filled to the brim with anti-American sentiment? Why aren't we shutting down the nuclear arsenals of Israel, India, and Pakistan, all of which haven't even signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty? Why isn't North Korea getting any of the spotlight, as it is so beautifully spitting in America's face?

    Most noticably, why have we not attacked Saudi Arabia, a country that "harbors terrorism", aided the 9-11 bombers, home to plenty of chemical weaponry, and plenty of anti-American tension? The same fucking reason we're going after Iraq. Oil.

    Iraq is the second largest oil distributer in the world. We want their oil, we go in and take it. We ignore that Saudi Arabia is pissing on our faces, because we're already getting their oil.

    If this is not imperialism, nothing is.

    I say, enough bullshit. If Bush is going to tell me and the rest of America that this is a war on all terrorists, I want this to really be a war on all terrorists. I want to see China's government shatter. I want Saudi Arabia smoked off the Earth. I want to see Jerusalem turned into a great big lake. That's right, I don't want it in the hands of the Israelis or the Palestines. I want it one big lake. I want the filthy fatass rich CEO's of every multinational corporation dropping their factories off in Indonesia, in Malaysia, in El Salvador, so that they can get away with throwing starving children into factories to make our useless material trinkets at unliveable wages to get an ass full of napalm. I want uranium showers on every Latin American puppet democracy America ever helped prop up. Then George W. Bush, as well as whoever else is responsible for all these acts of terrorism to defeat terrorism, can hang from his own noose. War is terrorism.
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    Excellent speech! He laid out what I told you guys months ago regarding Iraq's weapons capability. Colin Powell is slated to address the security council with newly declassified information about the evil dictators weapons of mass destruction.
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    Quote: from DyerMaker on 6:25 am on Jan. 29, 2003
    Liberating an oppressed nation from a murderous, dictatorial regime

    Can you name even a single incident where the U.S. installed a regime that was better than the last one since WWII?
    Have u ever read history? it seems u havent... let me give you some examples:

    South Korea, Japan, Germany, France (after the fell of the nazis), western europe.

    I can name you communists states that failed: Cuba, Eastern Europe, Soviet Union, North Korea, Cambodia, etc...

    Yeah, Communist regimes in Cuba and north Korea are still alive but they are starving and opressing their own people, so its a failure.

    Communism is a failure like it or not.

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    I saw the Bush speech, and what pissed me off most, wasn't the predictabble content of the speech, but the nearly monarchy-like ceronomy shit which seems to be custom in the US congress. And then this standing ovations and the exaggerated cheering after every shitty sentence, from both the Rebublicans and the Democrats. I'm really glad we haven't such a pathetic political culture here in Germany.
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    THe best line of his address:

    "We will defeat anyone who threatens the USA".

    An he means anyone. I stand behind his sentiments 100%.

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    Bush is walking a REALLY THIN line....He believes his country is the center of the damn universe. His pride, and calus disregard for others is evident when he made his speech. He doesn't get...nor do I think he is smart enough too. Russia, China, N. Korea have just as much fire power as his country, and my fear is that N. Korea could put nukes on the open market for terrorists just for the hell of it. These terrorist aren't afraid to use them against American targets. Bush seems to think Iraq is a major threat....what an idiot. N. Korea is a FAR FAR bigger concern.

    And with Bush's big mouth....it pisses of the opposition even more. One day, somebodies going to shut his big mouth for good, or crush his "ego" so badly that the "light" dawns on him.
    ...na, on second thought he's not smart enough. Someone will probably take care of this problem. His policies are going to get innocent Americans and others killed. This is why the rest of the world dislikes BUSH and his government. The man is FUCKIN' dangerous!
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    North Korea and China don't have nearly as much fire power as America does, guy. We have more than enough nukes to blow up the world ten times over, and we're still building more. The rightwingers, however, tend to believe that we are going to be using them more responsibly than other countries we happen to not particularly like. Or, at least, that's their excuse.

    We would never do something like invade a country without UN authorization and attack with our weapons of mass destruction. That's what Iraq did to Kuwait. We would never stoop so low. That's a clear violation of the UN Security Council.

    On another note, Bush says he's going to go ahead with the war whether the UN grants us permission or not.

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    i love how he said soemthing to the effect of "I will defend the american people", like we dont have the POWER to make our own descisions regarding the well being of ourselves. he wants us to place trust in this bullshit information that he is withholding from the american people that justifies this war.



    how about the democratic response? i thought the guy from Washington did an excellent job of politely ripping apart bush. The democratic plans sound promising for once, they actually seek a peaceful resolution and will actually give the money out that they promise for shit, unliek bush did with the education reforms and the environmental stuff.
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    Quote: from sabre on 4:47 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
    i love how he said soemthing to the effect of "I will defend the american people", like we dont have the POWER to make our own descisions regarding the well being of ourselves. he wants us to place trust in this bullshit information that he is withholding from the american people that justifies this war.



    how about the democratic response? i thought the guy from Washington did an excellent job of politely ripping apart bush. The democratic plans sound promising for once, they actually seek a peaceful resolution and will actually give the money out that they promise for shit, unliek bush did with the education reforms and the environmental stuff.
    He's not neccesarily withholding information per se, he is compiling it all so it can be delivered in one comprhensive, concise address, instead of in bits an pieces, where it will tend to become convoluted and diluted.

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