No one has any comments on hip hop culture has been commoditized to the point the industry can't suppress talk of Hip Hop dying coming from the Hip Hop community as the regression of mainstream Hip Hop is a open secret?
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Hip Hop died
So there has been much drama in the Hip Hop community as it comes to terms with the effects commercialization (in other words capitalism) has had on the scene.
"I'm the type to extort it
I give a fuck about the culture
I just like making money off it"
and
"we make it and they come steal it"
in Skillz Hip Hop Died kinda sums up the effect capitalism has on music.
No one has any comments on hip hop culture has been commoditized to the point the industry can't suppress talk of Hip Hop dying coming from the Hip Hop community as the regression of mainstream Hip Hop is a open secret?
That's pretty much been the case with any sort of art that has emerged and achieved any kind of popularity under capitalism.
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You know I remember in the 80's when rap exploded. It was not mainstream like hip hop , it was more underground I guess. There where rappers back than that I don't think the industry will see again. And the early days of rap was kind like the news. You could put in a tape and find out what was really going on. Like Punk at one time. I never really connected the same way with rap after it started to shift and become different.
Yes Hip Hop and rap in general did go the way of commercialism and it has lost it's original focus I feel. however one thing I have noticed is there are rappers that are emerging that aren't about that, and are trying to reclaim what it once was.
It's dead in that sense I guess.
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Just thought I point out that rap is apart of Hip Hop, as Hip Hop is considered a subculture not just a genre, thus why the rebirth of graffiti art is also considered part of Hip Hop (for obvious reasons capitalists haven't touched graffiti other trying to stop it).
Hip hop has probably been dead for a couple of years now. Capitalism has totally ruined it, and as NHIA said, capitalism has always corrupted any art form it can.
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I'm well aware of that. I thought you were speaking more towards the rap element of hip hop. Witch in my eyes is where we see the biggest change. Graffiti and all that has been around , granted pumas ,Adidas and track suits went out lol but know they are coming back in different expressions.
Graffiti is getting big again though. Stencillings bad ass!
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I mostly was.
Remember Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five in The Message fashion trends do change
Actually I re read my first post and that did not make senses at all
I was distracted earlier today apologies
Yup!Remember Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five in The Message fashion trends do changeFlash was good though. Best dressed rappers ever where Run D MC. They where later as you know. They were just cool though
I hear you though you had this great subculture that alot of us saw emerge. And yes the capitalist jumped on it and destroyed it in alot of ways. Not only did rap change from more underground to mainstream. It lost it's focus of culture and the news of what was really going on.
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Chimx no Soulja Boy!
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No way!, nobody knocks the Flavor Flav clock!
No way!, nobody knocks the Flavor Flav clock!
Wrong!! Flave was the best dancer , Actually PE was probably one of the greatest rap bands ever .
No one's got anything on flaves original flavor
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You're using the wrong parameters. Hip hop has never been opposed to making money or being "commercial". That's because hip hop is not a middle class fantasy like e.g. punk.
'tis true. It wasnt like Big Daddy Kane or Rakim were anti-capitalists.
It is however true that the music industry did try to make hiphop more accessible and mainstream.
While true it was born out of the boredom of poor urban minorities (who's poverty didn't give them much entertainment options with capitalism) , block parties in public space with illegal hook ups to the cities electricity (kinda mini Woodstocks were they just occupied public space).
The rebirth of graffiti side actually is funny in a 1984 documentary about graffiti in NYC, subway workers were talking about all the overtime graffiti artists was generating as they repainted subway cars that were graffitied again before they even re-entered service
Nah, it was independent labels like Def Jam and Death Row who went all out to broaden the appeal of hip hop.
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That doesn't mean hiphop isn't dead. With the growth of file sharing, record labels are investing more money into one-hit wonders that are cheap to produce and cheap to pay. Soulja Boy is actually a great example. He is not a lyricist. If you listen to the song, the verse and chorus are practically the same thing. This is what labels are pumping out right now, because people will still buy it for their cellphone ringers and dance to it at clubs. Because of that they are not investing money into rappers that are lyrically skilled, and experiement in the genre. You won't see a new wu-tang clan in the next 10 years, for example.
It's similar to what is happening in hollywood. They are pumping out more and more cheap comedy movies with unknown actors because they are cheap to make, and usually turn a small profit. It is a more assured way to make a buck rather than invest lots and lots of money into a big production and have it not make that investment back.
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