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Socialism failed in Cuba after the first five years, and as hard as they tried, they couldn't revive it again. If it was so good in Cuba, houndreds of thousands wouldn't be trying to leave the island. But wait, there's more. Castro, and the rest of his cronies, have been quietly (yes, quietly) implementing Capitalistic programs into their failed Socialistic economy to bring the economy back to life. For example, peasants are now allowed to sale their own products in the public market and make a profit (Oh, my gosh---PROFIT---this is a no-no in Socialism). Also, Castro has allowed foreing "investors" (foreing Corporations), namely from Canada, Spain, France, Italy, and Germany, to open chains of hotels and resurrect the once dead tourist industry in Cuba. Last, but not least, the houndreds of millions of Dollars sent by Cubans outside the island to their families in Cuba has helped a lot. So why then not admitted that CAPITALISM is saving the Cuban economy? It has to do with saving face: You see a Leftist, like Castro and his ass kissing cronies, would never admit to having failed in their quest for la-la Land, so what they do is "revise" Socialism by incorporating Capitalistic measures to improve the dismal living conditions in Cuba. Once Socialism has been revised in this fashion, it isn't Socialism anymore---they might still want to call it a Marxist revolution, but that revolution is long gone and FAILED.
To add insult to injury, Castro since day one was bent on destroying the U. S. and the semi-Capitalistic systems of the world. Is it any wonder that the U. S. refuses to help Cuba. What rational individual would lend a hand to a person that's trying to destroy him?
But Castro, in the last 10 years, has toned down somewhat his rhetoric aginst the West and has been trying to get the U. S. to do business with Cuba. Only a liar, amoral, immoral, arrogant, hypocrite would ask the system (Capitalism) he hates and despises so much to bail him out of poverty and misery; but those are the Leftists for you.
Despite some (and I mean little) improvements in the economy (thanks to the foreing private sector and the Yankee Dollar), the politically scene remains basically the same: the Cuban press is owned and controlled by the Cuban government, anybody who dares to publicly denounce Marxism is fired from his job and in many instances arrested. In Cuba, if you're fired from your job, you can't go anywhere else because all industries are either owned by the government or closely monitored (the foreing tourist industies) by the Communist party.
Again, a reminder, that Socialism is not Democratic---even Marx in his writings and Lenin in practice proved this. Socialism is only "Democratic" if everybody would be Socialist and this is an impossibility. Unlike the U. S. and other Western societies, where people are allowed to voice their own opinion, in a Marxist society this is not allwed---SOME DEMOCRACY THIS SOCIALISM IS.
Comes election time in the U. S., if you closely look at the voting ballot, you'll see a Commuist party, a Socialist party, a Fascist party, a Worker's party, etc. Yes, they're there and you can vote for them; it just happens that most people do not vote for them so they never win. In Cuba, under Castro, you'll never see a Capitalist party in a voting ballot. Our definition of Democracy is: you can express your own opinion no matter how much we might disagree with it---You sorry ass Leftists are doing it right now in this forum (What's even worse for you recycled Commies is that your doing it here with technology developed back in 1969 by the U. S. Department of Defense---the internet was then a secret U. S. project called ARPANET). A Leftist's definition of Democracy is: if the Communist party approves of what you're saying, then it's ok.
You Marxists would be comical if you wern't so pathetic.
Yay! An article that wasn't copied and pasted! Where to begin? I'll just point out one thing for now.
Again, a reminder, that Socialism is not Democratic
I do not see where in Marx's writings that this was stated. In fact, if I recall what he wrote in the communist manifesto, he fully supported Democracy.
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Lots to say, lot's to say, where to begin?
Well, Cuba has allowed foreign hotel chains on the island for a very long time. It's nothing new.
People have been allowed to sell their own products, also for a very long time. Though the profit is shared among the community.
Even more people from Mexico, Puerto Rico, El Salvador, etc. move to the US in much larger quantities than Cubans.
Socialism is quite Democratic, Capitalism though, is not. And how come you can't accept the fact that there can exist such a thing as a democratic one-party system?
Cuba is now in the dictatorship of the Proletariat, a long one at that, but nevertheless in the track to Communism. If you ask me, it's a bit failed though.
Castro is not a liar, amoral, immoral, arrogant, hypocrite. He is simply trying to bring some happiness to his people. It's impossible to have a succesful Communist regime with only one small nation, lacking in natural resources involved.
I'd rather live in Cuba over any third-world country any day.
My father "immergrated" from Cuba about 5 years after Castro came into power...one day I'd like to go with him back there....he's an American citizen now for many years...but he's afraid they wont let him leave...damn shame...i heard its nice...
Explain how a one-party system could be democratic?
What if I wanted to vote for someone in some other party?
-AK
"...I was drivin' across the valley floor/ Goin' past a scene of gore/ Something that had ended here/ Then I stopped in at a porno store/ And I saw among the pictures there/ A vision that was...very fair.../ Just a moment from yesteryear/ ...All I could do was stare..." ------ Frank Black
how is an election in the UK democratic AK?
The UK being one of the most capitalist places on this earth
Captain Blackadder: You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war two great super-armies developed. Us, the Russians and the French on one side, Germany and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea being that each army would act as the other's deterrent. That way, there could never be a war.
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AK, instead of voting on a candidate, you would vote on a decission to brought about by the single enstated party. A direct democracy, not a representative democracy like what it is in the US. Much more democratic and little, if no chance of corruption. Supposedly, the system enstated in Cuba. Bush is simply too narrow-minded to see. Then he goes off giving speeches about how he refuses to end the embargo unless Castro holds fair and competitive elections for the seat of Prime Minister. These speeches are of course only in order to appease the Cubans in Miami.
Stupid, stupid, hypocritical, filthy, putriid, evil, conniving, fascist, president dubaya.
Democracy. Demos - People. Cracy - Rule.
If the state is a tool for the proletariat, who are the majority, then that is democracy.
Give me a fucking break, you sheep.
1. Cuba is not democratic. Democracy that extends only to the point where it runs contrary to the wishes of a dictator is not democracy at all.
2. Cuba is a victory for the collectivist ideal
(Edited by antieverything at 10:49 pm on Dec. 24, 2002)
this land is our land
Pure Democracy is next to impossible to achieve. It takes small African tribes years to arrive on one decision becuase of their Democracy. If Marx believed in pure Democracy, he's unrealistic fool.
“Whoever makes two ears of corn or two blades of grass to grow where only one grew before does more essential services to his country than the whole race of politicians put together - Jon Swift.\"
antieverything, were you talking to me? I never said Cuba was democratic.
Cuba has done the best job ou of ANY latin country, not even the cappies can argue that.
Max B, have you been to Cuba and seen the 'horrible' country?
If not, can you tell fact from fiction?
(Edited by Behind enemy lines at 8:51 pm on Dec. 26, 2002)
Our Word is our weapon
- Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos
Yes, I visited Cuba thru Mexico and stayed in Havana for 4 days. It is a one party political system. There's plenty of poverty in the streets. As soon as people know you're a tourist they'll all over you. So the "revolution" made some advancements in the medical field---the U. S., the U.K., Germany, France, Japan, Italy, etc. have also made MORE advacements in the medical field and OTHER fields. Yes, medecine is free in Cuba, but the problem is that there is a shortage of medecine in Cuba.
Nothing in life is free, and if you're getting a free ride that means someone else, somewhere, is paying for it.
Talking politics in the streets of Havana is a no-no. You can only speak favorably of the present system. While I never supported the Batista regime, I don't support the Castro regime eithere. In 1959, many people wanted a "revolution" but most didn't want Marxism. Castro came in with the promise: "My revolution is as green as the palms of my country". Only after Castro consolidated power did he declare himself a Marxist.
The other most popular rebel after Castro was Camilo Cienfuegos---a non-Communist. Cienfuegos "disappeared" right after the revolution in a plane accident. In other words, Cienfuegos would have been the other "choice" for Prime Minister of the island. EVERYBODY loved Cienfuegos.
Except for a few token ass-kissers (Vilma Espin, Raul, and couple of others), most of those revolutionaries that started out with Castro in Sierra Maestra have either died of natural causes, died in some sort of "accident", imprisoned as "traitors" to the revolution, or left Cuba altogther.
Other revelation of the Cuban "revolution":
Among the revolutionary myths that come crashing down:
- Find out why the Barbudos of Fidel Castro's 26th of July movement were not the romantic revolutionaries the American media like The New York Times (and even the Cuban press under Batista like Bohemia), made them out to be.
- What was the Revolutionary Directorate (RD), the 13th of March movement? Who were its leaders? Why wasn't the American media interested in these anticommunist rebels? In a pivotal speech after the triumph of the Revolution in 1959, why did Fidel Castro ask the RD and the Cuban people: ¿Armas, para que? ("Guns, for what?") Shortly thereafter, why were the civilian population methodically disarmed and opponents of the regime sought out by State Security?
- What happened to the Cuban uprising that was supposed to, but never did, materialize near Trinidad, a "counterrevolutionary" stronghold during or after the Bay of Pigs invasion? You will also find out how opponents of the regime were rounded up and executed at the time of the ill-fated invasion.
- Learn the venal details of the October Missile Crisis (1962) and the ramifications of the secret Kennedy-Khruschev Pact that sealed the fate of the Cuban people for forty years. Find out what went on in the island during the Missile Crisis - and the plans and intentions of the Cuban Maximum Leader.
- The socialist workers' paradise is exposed for what it is, namely, a brutal police state. George Orwell's 1984 arrived in Cuba in the 1960s --- twenty-five years early! And like in Orwell's Animal Farm, the privileged revolutionaries became the ruling elite, the mayimbes, the new masters who were more equal than the rest of the Cuban people-the liborios.
- The promised agrarian reforms became forced collectivization, desolation of the beautiful Cuban countryside, and destruction of a once beautiful and prosperous country - particularly, as revealed in the brutal offensive against the anti-communist Escambray rebels and their campesino supporters between 1960-1965. Although this sanginary, drawn out conflict resembled the extermination of the Kulaks by Stalin in the USSR, it was ignored by the U.S. media, the same media which adored Fidel Castro and helped his ascension to power.
-Given the "great advances" of the Revolution on education and health care in Cuba in the 1970s and 1980s, are the Cuban people really better off today than they were in 1958 under Batista? Are Cubans today really better off than other citizens in Latin American countries?
Among the revelations that come to light:
- Given the popularity of the Maximum Leader and his romantic revolutionaries, why did Fidel Castro find it necessary to follow the police state tactics common to all tyrannies: The knock on the door in the middle of the night, raids, seizures, surveillance, identification cards, and of course, gun control.
- What happened to Castro's Wars of National Liberation in Africa and Central America during the 1970s and 1980s?
-What evidence is there that Fidel Castro and his brother Raúl are involved in drug trafficking. Who was General Arnaldo Ochoa?
Many of these questions are answered in the book Cuba in Revolution---Escape from a Lost Paradise by Miguel A. Faria, Jr., M. D.
MaxB, I lived in Cuba. So get ready to get your ass kicked all over the floor.
"I visited Cuba thru Mexico and stayed in Havana for 4 days."
You stayed in a tourist city and center. in those four days you missed the real Cuba. Try again asshole.
"It is a one party political system."
And you found this out on your 4 day joy trip to Havana? I'm sorry.
"There's plenty of poverty in the streets."
Been to Miami? New York? Seattle? I can go on, but hopefully you get my point.
"As soon as people know you're a tourist they'll all over you."
As with almost every other third world democratic capitalist country. Point still missed.
"So the "revolution" made some advancements in the medical field---the U. S., the U.K., Germany, France, Japan, Italy, etc. have also made MORE advacements in the medical field and OTHER fields."
Okay? They both made advancements. Congratulations, you have graduated from third grade.
"Yes, medecine is free in Cuba, but the problem is that there is a shortage of medecine in Cuba. "
As there is in every other third world country, but in the other third world country you have to pay for the little that you can get. In cuba, you don't.
"Nothing in life is free, and if you're getting a free ride that means someone else, somewhere, is paying for it. "
Thanks for the definition of Capitalism.
"Talking politics in the streets of Havana is a no-no."
Really? I did it on a regular basis, before i was a socialist. I openly spoke bad of Castro and recieved equal criticism and praise.
"You can only speak favorably of the present system. "
I think i just touched on that
"While I never supported the Batista regime, I don't support the Castro regime eithere."
Good for you. I think its clear you don't support Castro.
"In 1959, many people wanted a "revolution" but most didn't want Marxism."
Most DID want Marxism. Perhaps not the type of marxism seen today in Cuba, but they certainly did want marxism.
"Castro came in with the promise: "My revolution is as green as the palms of my country". Only after Castro consolidated power did he declare himself a Marxist.
The other most popular rebel after Castro was Camilo Cienfuegos---a non-Communist. "
Castro was an open communist, along with Che, from the days in Mexico.
"Cienfuegos "disappeared" right after the revolution in a plane accident. In other words, Cienfuegos would have been the other "choice" for Prime Minister of the island. EVERYBODY loved Cienfuegos. "
And dieing in a plane accident which couldn't be found is soooooo rare? Has it never happened before? Maybe the easter bunny kidnapped him and raped his big toe.
I don't want 'that' book, and i sure as hell wont read it. so, i sign off today with a nice Fuck You.
Sincerely,
Fuck you,
Punk Rawker.
\"He who controls the past, controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.\" - 1984
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I\'m gonna change the world one day! Or, maybe i wont, but i\'ll be damned if i dont try. - me..
Paunrawker, you are a jerk off---un Comunista come mierda. Go back to FUCKIN' Cuba if you think is so hot. It's good to defend Communism while you're eating the ham in some Capitalist country. Go back y lambeale el culo a tu papito Fidel so maricon.
He is going back to Cuba.
Thanks Junichi! and yes MaxB, i am going back. Unfortunatly i was brought back to the u.s. in my teens and have no had the oppurtunity to go back seeing as i was a minor. And thanks... i love being called a Communist shit eater. but i think its you who ate your own shit, seeing as you have no worthwhile reply to anything i said.
\"He who controls the past, controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.\" - 1984
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I\'m gonna change the world one day! Or, maybe i wont, but i\'ll be damned if i dont try. - me..
Cuba.... Fidel used Communism as a shield to get into power. He convinced people that it would be good for them and people followed. But what he clearly had in mind was Totalitarism and he achieve it, take a look at Cuba today.
Cuba.... Fidel used Communism as a shield to get into power
Yup, that was his plan since he was in his late teens and in college. He went to rallies and riots against the TOTALITARIAN Batista regime, so he can set up a totalitarian government later. He risked his life, been sent to prison, tried, risked his life again to set up a totalitarian government.
He convinced people that it would be good for them and people followed.
Yeah, just like the tiger tells us Frosted Flakes is good for us.
But what he clearly had in mind was Totalitarism and he achieve it, take a look at Cuba today.
Wow, you have no clue what you are talking about. He fought and risked his life for totalitarianism which was already in place, Batista. Okay, I'm looking at Cuba today...hm. Free healthcare, free education, jobs, noone starving. Majority of the people do support Castro, although some want more free elections.
(Edited by ComradeJunichi at 1:19 am on Dec. 28, 2002)
