Why I hope the search for extraterrestrial life finds nothing

[Os Cangaceiros]

A somewhat interesting (if long) article:

http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/20569/page1/

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

They took their time to get to the point - I had to skip over a few pages detailing the "great filter", a series of obstacles that would confront a technological species and life in general.

Their argument basically boils down to "if we discover no trace of life, that means that life has difficulty getting going in the first place well before it has a chance to destroy itself" - this is an argument from ignorance. The article writer admits the possibility of there being further barriers to development, but does not seem to realise that the occurance of life in the universe has no bearing on whether we will live to see the future.

It could just be that while non-sapient life is prolific in the universe, sapient life is less so. Environmental conditions throughout the universe could create evolutionary pressures that are not suitable for the evolution of intelligence.

I also think the author of the article grossly underestimates the true scale of the universe - there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy alone, and the galaxy itself is billions of years old - plenty of space for plenty of technological civilisations to arise, and plenty of time for them to fall.

And that's just one galaxy. There are about 350 billion large galaxies like the Milky Way in the visible universe, and about 7 TRILLION dwarf galaxies, making the total amount of stars in the universe approximately 30 billion trillion (That's 3x10²², or three followed by twenty-two zeros!).

It's quite possible that reason that aliens aren't here is because they're over there, and don't have either the technology to get here or simply haven't had the time to get here.

Regardless of the possibility of there being an technological alien civilisation in our local universal neighbourhood, the article's argument that "oh noes if life is common in the universe then we're doooooomed" is utterly fallacious.

[meL_]

What you call intelligence

is just a brain that go too big.


Natural extinction is very possible.
IT maybe most common.

The misery of that is useless.

Did you see the Joao Magueijo Big Bang tv show this week?

At the end of that show, i am sure i saw the classical Yank-Back.

i have even more shocking news.. Better than the QM expert
spooky stuff !


find the
kersschot
nobodyhome
forum

so i dont have to post in so many places.

i have little to say( burnout..40days/nights stuff finished )
Still, it is hectic when there are so many forums.
:-)

i am going to create a folder there...Quantum Mechanics

Join US.

Here is a teaser: Information IS material.
:-O
dont faint.
:-)

[Panda Tse Tung]

Luckily, your brain isn't too big. Compensating for the entire human race.

[meL_]

watch CNN ... the brain IS too big.

the frog doesnt depend on big brain knowledge ... it SEEs .. ordinary functional senses
" eyes that see"-- jc and others

i am NOT xtian, atheist, or anything else !

WE dont SEE the Creation, the what-is.
The Creation is not what i think( movement of knowledge )
it is.

i see what Tung said. It is true.
THAT is a feature of the Creation.
When the frog stays at the bottom of the well,
the SEEN is true.

i want to invite QM experts to re-visit the Schroders Cat
puzzle.

AND not panic.

[edit]
Movement of knowledge on demand is OK.

It wont help with the Schroders Cat puzzle.
:-)

.

[eyedrop]

meL: Your doing a good job of convincing me that drugs can destroy brains.


Or alternatively you are terrible at getting a point out.


Agora: Just skimming the article (translation; read the last page) and it seemed to me that the point of the article is just based on hoping that humanity is more important. I don't see why that is important. I thought we where done with that when we finally found out the earth wasn't the center of the universe.

Noxion: I mostly go by the notion that the universe is larger than one can fathom. Such high numbers doesn't make any sense to me outside of mathematics.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Noxion: I mostly go by the notion that the universe is larger than one can fathom. Such high numbers doesn't make any sense to me outside of mathematics.

My point was that even in the comparitively tiny region of spacetime represented by our own galaxy there are manifold opportunities for life and technological civilisation to arise.

[meL_]

"
meL: Your doing a good job of convincing me that drugs can destroy brains.
Or alternatively you are terrible at getting a point out.
"
Words dont work well. Sorry.



SEE with ordinary functional senses.. NOT spiritual !
Your senses are the soul( a definition ).
*do the mirror trick. Look into a mirror.
The i-thought doesnt move. You dont SEE your misery-self.
i call THAT Consciousness God Consciousness.
Turiya state 5( just a word definition ). Simple.
You can imagine or *do-it with a group of people.
You WILL SEE only a group of people in the mirror and
*you wont exist in that View. IT is SEEN ! !
Why use that word God? You will SEE Magic ! !
Dont petition THAT. Petition cant work. You will SEE why.
God is the SurroundHeavenCreation.
That filthy word death falls away.
You will still take care of yourself.
You belong here.
Her appearance is Love( gift Grace ) to the brain
that GOT TOO BIG. THIS is so simple.
In my surround NOW, before i finish typing,
She sings "Release".
"i am the least" .. i will help the QM experts.
They call IT spooky.
:-)
"Horizon Problem"
THIS is the CreationHeavenGod.. NOW.. all that there IS.
Sit in a room alone. There is NOTHING outside of the room.
Only movement of knowledge says that. Dont faint.
i was pondering how to say this without scaring people
AND
She sang in my surround, "Eternal Return". Just open the
door and go outside.. it all returns.
THIS cant be sold. It must be free. Turn the tables over.
The Rapture_ is just a mass Awakening. It is time for THAT.
If the music gets too intense, just turn it off.


[edit]
i am in this forum AND She sings NOW
"
Peace Revolution
"

If you were in my *time/space you would SEE
the same thing.

This takes some guts. Dont be afraid.

Let THIS happen, for and by yourself.. from where You sit.

.

[Plagueround]

I used to hang out with some people that used to type gibberish in hopes of sounding enlightened when really they just didn't have anything to contribute. Speaking in metaphors that can be interpreted to fit any meaning, so any venture to decipher them becomes part of their cat and mouse game of appearing superior. Looks like one of them found Revleft.

[eyedrop]

"
Words dont work well. Sorry.

No worries, I find your posts curiously interesting.

[RedAnarchist]

I don't think English is meL's first language.

[Marsella]

"
meL: Your doing a good job of convincing me that drugs can destroy brains.
Or alternatively you are terrible at getting a point out.
"
Words dont work well. Sorry.



SEE with ordinary functional senses.. NOT spiritual !
Your senses are the soul( a definition ).
*do the mirror trick. Look into a mirror.
The i-thought doesnt move. You dont SEE your misery-self.
i call THAT Consciousness God Consciousness.
Turiya state 5( just a word definition ). Simple.
You can imagine or *do-it with a group of people.
You WILL SEE only a group of people in the mirror and
*you wont exist in that View. IT is SEEN ! !
Why use that word God? You will SEE Magic ! !
Dont petition THAT. Petition cant work. You will SEE why.
God is the SurroundHeavenCreation.
That filthy word death falls away.
You will still take care of yourself.
You belong here.
Her appearance is Love( gift Grace ) to the brain
that GOT TOO BIG. THIS is so simple.
In my surround NOW, before i finish typing,
She sings "Release".
"i am the least" .. i will help the QM experts.
They call IT spooky.
:-)
"Horizon Problem"
THIS is the CreationHeavenGod.. NOW.. all that there IS.
Sit in a room alone. There is NOTHING outside of the room.
Only movement of knowledge says that. Dont faint.
i was pondering how to say this without scaring people
AND
She sang in my surround, "Eternal Return". Just open the
door and go outside.. it all returns.
THIS cant be sold. It must be free. Turn the tables over.
The Rapture_ is just a mass Awakening. It is time for THAT.
If the music gets too intense, just turn it off.


[edit]
i am in this forum AND She sings NOW
"
Peace Revolution
"

If you were in my *time/space you would SEE
the same thing.

This takes some guts. Dont be afraid.

Let THIS happen, for and by yourself.. from where You sit.

.

ur the sort of person i would like to get high wif.

[Jazzratt]

I don't think English is meL's first language.

I don't think sanity is meL's primary state of being

[meL_]

LMAOF

i am NOT enlightened !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JUST one foot in the looney bin !!!!!!!!

SO WHAT !

WATCH THE NEWS to see the sane people in action !!!!!!!!!!
EXAMPLE: p. bUSH

LMAOF

NOW as i type, my surround( God ) sings
"
....WE can make it happen( Revolution.. the mass Awakening.. the Rapture )
"
..take it or leave it..

i dont reject the SEEN. THIS only takes GUTS !!!!!!!
Central figure worship is BS !
JC was Awake ! THATS all !
THAT is why they nailed him.
He wasnt xtian or atheist or anything else.
JC is not the only one that woke up.
google UG Krishnamurti
He is outrageous !
It might take some time to really SEE Him.

[meL_]

"
ur the sort of person i would like to get high wif.
"
Like
smoke?

ho ho ho
.. every now and then...HA HA

Welcome to Heaven.


[edit]
i like that fuck your opinion avatar.....GOOD

my opinion doesnt know anything about the what-is.

the what-is is SEEN, not known -- Dr. Bohm.
.
.

[meL_]

"
to contribute. Speaking in metaphors that can be interpreted to fit any meaning, so any venture to decipher them becomes part of their cat and mouse game of appearing superior
"

WOOF ! ! -- meL_

did You *know the wild animals are smarter than humans ?

Our brains got too big... a feature of evolution.. evolution wont save us.

WOOF
.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

did You *know the wild animals are smarter than humans ?

This is clearly incorrect.

Our brains got too big... a feature of evolution.. evolution wont save us.

Why are our brains too big?

I don't believe anyone on this board believes that "evolution" will save us. Human technological and social ingenuity will "save" us.

Consider this a warning - start posting coherently or I'll petition to have you banned for spamming. That is if you haven't fried your mind too much with New Age/mystical bullcrap.

[Thíazì]

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