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history repeats itself once more.
"The revolutionary is a doomed man" - Sergei Nechayev
They haven't even formed a government yet and you're already complaining?
"El ideal del P.S.O.E. es la completa emancipación de la clase trabajadora; Es decir, la abolición de todas las clases sociales y su declaración y conversión en una sola clase de trabajadores, dueños del fruto de su trabajo, libres, iguales, honrados e inteligentes." -Pablo Iglesias (founder of PSOE and UGT)
"Quienes contraponen liberalismo y socialismo, o no conocen el primero o no saben los verdaderos objetivos del segundo." -Pablo Iglesias
Art. 1.º España es una República democrática de trabajadores de toda clase, que se
organiza en régimen de Libertad y de Justicia.
This article criticizes the Maoists before they have even been able to form a government - it would be far more sensible to wait and see how the Maoists behave once they are in power and have been given the opportunity to implement change, before we start making judgements about whether they deserve a high salary. The fact that the Maoists were able to win an election victory shows they have popular support, and no other party has been able to recognize and provide solutions to the problems faced by ordinary people in Nepal.
From their statements given to the bourgeois press I would argue it is obvious how they are going to behave.
"The revolutionary is a doomed man" - Sergei Nechayev
Yes you mean a deep acceptance of multi-party democracy and pluralism.
They gave that as a problem of china, north korea and the USSR etc.
just last week there was a bbc article which had quotes outlining their stance towards democracy with one condition, so long as there was no return of the king, they supported democracy.
Nepal 'boosts global communism'
The leader of Nepal's Maoists has said that his party's recent election victory is a sign of the global resurgence of communism.
But Pushpa Kamal Dahal, also known as Prachanda, stressed his party believed in retaining multi-party competition.
Prachanda has made it clear that he wants to become the first president of a Nepalese republic.
The Maoists won twice as many seats as their nearest rivals in last month's polls for a constitutional assembly.
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Prachanda's comments are a reminder of the extraordinary way in which Nepal has contradicted the world's move away from communism in the past 20 years.
The leader of the former rebels told the AFP news agency that the Maoists' big poll victory signalled a wave of revolution in developing countries, which he said would spread to the developed world.
But Prachanda stressed that the Maoists did not believe in a one-party state.
He said they had concluded that "multi-partyism is a must, even in socialism" and that without competition, a vibrant society could not be created.
The Maoists have said time and again that such pluralism is necessary.
Another senior Maoist leader, CP Gajurel, recently told the BBC that communism had failed in other countries precisely because it did not allow competition, adding that it would be normal for the party to lose some elections, then come back to win others.
Prachanda also reiterated the Maoists' support for private investment in Nepal, both local and foreign.
But he said Nepal's people and government should decide on investment priorities.
The new assembly is due to sit some time after 20 May and is set to abolish the monarchy.
Discussions are in progress on what should be the composition of the country's new government.
Some in the traditionally biggest party, the Nepali Congress, say the current Congress Prime Minister GP Koirala should continue in the post. But many others ridicule this suggestion.
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That was a recent BBC article. It is amazing and very foresighted to accept pluralism and multipartyism, and brave considering the hostile nature of the world they live in at the moment.
lets celebrate what the maoists have done, becuase we will never witness a perfect party or organisation, but these maoists have got the most important part right!
Yes, Nepal must move from the point where it is standing, not try to become some form of Utopia at first without the infrastructure to support it. But what the country needs most of all is land redistribution.
In Lenin's footsteps?
Lenin rejected outright the idea of a bourgeois revolution in the era of imperialism. He recognised that in the era of imperialism and monopoly capitalism - the era which itself has abolished private property and has centralised capital under the direction of the bourgeois state, one which exists to socialise risk whilst keeping profit in private hands, including its own - the only move forward to socialism is to dismantle the bourgeois state itself and then to use the new workers state to expropriate all private property.
the maoists in Nepal on the other hand have already called for a utopian "transition" from "feudalism" to capitalism in co-operation with the "national bourgeoisie" and their state, whilst still operating within the framework of imperialist global capitalism.
where is the similarity?
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Lenin’s internationalism is by no means a form of reconciliation of Nationalism and Internationalism in words but a form of international revolutionary action. The territory of the earth inhabited by so-called civilized man is looked upon as a coherent field of combat on which the separate peoples and classes wage gigantic warfare against each other. No single question of importance can be forced into a national frame.
Leon Trotsky
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In the fact that the Maoists are following the historical path set by Lenin and the Bolsheviks of consolidating a wealthy, bureaucratic elite who come to encompass the new ruling class (apart from this time they didn't even need to pretend to stand for social revolution).
"The revolutionary is a doomed man" - Sergei Nechayev
What their opportunistic acceptance of bourgeois representative democracy and the cultivation of investment opportunities for Western capital? Hoorah!! Viva la Revolucion!![]()
"The revolutionary is a doomed man" - Sergei Nechayev
Believe it or not, even that can be considered progressive in this particular case.
Just about anything's better than the feudal mess it is now.
The Maoists, bourgeoisie or not, are going to revolutionize Nepal into something that resembles a modern Bourgeoisie state...And that's good for a country as backwards as Nepal.
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
That is teleological rubbish. Historical dialectics is a failed doctrine. It doesn't stand at all against the patently obvious empirical evidence to the contrary. This is Marxism at its most repugnant. Nothing but a reactionary fairy tale that disguises the consolidation of political elites and the continued exploitation of the working class and peasantry.
Last edited by InTheMatterOfBoots; 13th May 2008 at 16:31.
"The revolutionary is a doomed man" - Sergei Nechayev
Lol "anarchist communism or death!"
right, you are an ultra left so your are in no way able to speak with any authority to be honest.
What are you talking about? A bourgeois state is far better than a feudal one. Every marxist knows this.
"El ideal del P.S.O.E. es la completa emancipación de la clase trabajadora; Es decir, la abolición de todas las clases sociales y su declaración y conversión en una sola clase de trabajadores, dueños del fruto de su trabajo, libres, iguales, honrados e inteligentes." -Pablo Iglesias (founder of PSOE and UGT)
"Quienes contraponen liberalismo y socialismo, o no conocen el primero o no saben los verdaderos objetivos del segundo." -Pablo Iglesias
Art. 1.º España es una República democrática de trabajadores de toda clase, que se
organiza en régimen de Libertad y de Justicia.
Nepal was not a feudal state, there are no feudal states left in the world today, the Nepalese state existed to provide conditions for and to direct and protect the process of capital accumulation. In this way, it was in direct contradiction to the interests of the majority of the population.
Nepal was a bourgeois state, and will remain so under the Maoists.
Lenin’s internationalism is by no means a form of reconciliation of Nationalism and Internationalism in words but a form of international revolutionary action. The territory of the earth inhabited by so-called civilized man is looked upon as a coherent field of combat on which the separate peoples and classes wage gigantic warfare against each other. No single question of importance can be forced into a national frame.
Leon Trotsky
TVPTS - 24hr news, analysis and opinion, from a revolutionary perspective
Sorry, but how can you have a bourgeois state with an autocratic monarchy and no substantial urban working class or industry to speak of?
You either don't understand what a bourgeois state entails, or you don't understand how Nepal was structured before the revolution. Nepal was very strongly feudal.
manufacturing in 2000 was about one fifth of annual GDP. Thats pretty hefty chunk.
I am not really sure how in any way that constitutes an argument.
Well actually no. Only Marxists so tied to stageist orthodoxy that they feel it is appropriate to use nineteenth century economic categories previously only applied to pre-modern Western states. "feudalism" is an anachrohism and your 'theory' only seeks to justify the exploitation and disempowerment of the Nepalese people. Nepal is a mixed agrarian economy very much connected to a global capitalist system.
Last edited by InTheMatterOfBoots; 13th May 2008 at 21:00.
"The revolutionary is a doomed man" - Sergei Nechayev
I do not have a positive view of this little victory for the Maoists and, in this case, their reformist counterparts. I know what a nation-state does, and it needs to end ASAP.
Fuck Maoism, fuck Leninism, and fuck any attempt to create a "temporary worker's" government! We all know the failure of the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, along with every single one of the so-called "dictatorship of the proletariat". Freedom comes after the revolution, not another damn oppressive government.
Oh, and I almost forgot; fuck reformism.
I'm in the mood to say fuck today. O_o
Last edited by The Advent of Anarchy; 13th May 2008 at 21:26.
To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.
-Mikhail Bakunin
That would be the same proportion as the US and comparable to the UK.
And this is the main point: the Nepalese state is a vassal for imperialist capital, a small ruling class bought off by imperialism which exists primarily to oversee the exploitation of Nepal, and enrich itself in the process.
At times they may clash with imperialism - something they are forced to do by the class struggle at home - and demand specific improvements in terms and conditions.
When this happens, we should defend Nepal from imperialist aggression in any form, but we should not raise the illusions that the redundant Nepalese ruling class and its state can provide any long term leadership in this struggle, or that they have any role in the struggle against imperialism except to seek to contain it and lead it to defeat, due to their most basic instinct as a class being the need to defend private property, and therefore defend the global economic system.
Lenin’s internationalism is by no means a form of reconciliation of Nationalism and Internationalism in words but a form of international revolutionary action. The territory of the earth inhabited by so-called civilized man is looked upon as a coherent field of combat on which the separate peoples and classes wage gigantic warfare against each other. No single question of importance can be forced into a national frame.
Leon Trotsky
TVPTS - 24hr news, analysis and opinion, from a revolutionary perspective
I'd say it's a bit premature to start analyzing the course the CPN Maoist and the elventeen other CPN factions will set for Nepal.