I didn't label you as anything, I don't read your posts.
So who are you? A national socialist?
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Why have I been labeled a capitalist? This came as a shock to me. Now I can understand one fo the problems with past communist revolutions. It's because people were persecuted or re/supressed because of their views.
How are we to create a society of equality and peace when people are going to be judged by one person (ie. dictator)????Malte????
I didn't label you as anything, I don't read your posts
So who are you? A national socialist?
For what it's worth, I got the same lable, apparently because some folks were able to make statements about me, behind my back, with no chance of confronting them or learning the reasoning behind what they had said.
Equality is a lie, same as it ever was.
However, I still read the other forums (though I can't post) in hopes of learning something here despite the walls in my way.
Anarcho- The Unofficial Che-Lives.com dissident.
Nateddi, I try to read all the posts that you make. There should be an option to see every post that a user has made, it's on other forums I have seen. I emailed you about Communism once, something about posters/cartoons. I think if it wasn't for you I wouldn't even know about this forum.
I am only beginning to understand Socialism, most are my views toward issues is balanced. My history teacher told me once that I was very skewed. When I talk about Socialism and get into arguements, I usually get backed into a corner. But then I remind my opponents that I am not defending/fighting for a perfect system, but rather a more humane system.
Over this year, I have learned so much about Socialism that I have even convinced my tutor to "convert" and read more about it. I have no idea why I have been put into this catagory.
By the way, Nateddi, I see you, Communist (day of defeat forums), and potyondi (dod forum) as the ones who hold the greatest amount of knowledge of the subject. I do have some questions that are in depth about communism and are not like the on-the-surface questions that are asked on this board. I'll email you sometime.
A national socialist? did you get that from my Hitler quote or my name? Field Marshal, after Erwin Rommel, he too was a socialist. The quotation from Hitler, in my opinion, is a reminder that what he tried to do was create his idealogical world. He failed to do so.
If we are to create our idealogical world, then we can not afford any mistakes. Because just like those who have tried in the past to create the idealogical communist world, we will be despised, hated, and condemned forever. And worst of all, we are the good guys...
Hmm, that was you who emailed me about Potyondi's cartoons???
I believe many people on this forum are ignorant, by the fact that they jump to conclusions. I now became one of them. I knew the name Field Marshal sounded familiar, I just wasn't sure.
Anyway, if you want to see Communist, as well as other communists and (former) DoD History forum members debate against Neo-Nazi racists, come to http://www.thelyceum.org. Communist's name is Bolshevik, Sulla is there, MF_Doom, Sinclair, and a few others.
Yes, Field Marshal is no nazi, we should really watch it before we lock people up into this forum.
Really my bad.
(Edited by Nateddi at 4:07 am on May 25, 2002)
I haven't read any of your posts but I heard that you were banned so I just took it that you were a nazi or something. The Hitler quote doesn't help even if you didn't mean it in the sense of supporting him.
You can all yourself a socialist but it doesn't mean you are one. The Nazi party's full name was the "National Socialist Party". Would you call nazi's socialists?
There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror... --- Mark Twain
Rommel a socialist? Are you kidding? He was a Nazi!
You are coming here with a Nazi name and a Nazi sig and you are woundering why yiu have been restricted to SvsC, you are pretty confused!
"The proletariat, when it seizes power [...] should and must at once undertake socialist measures in the most energetic, unyielding and unhesitant fashion, in other words, exercise a dictatorship, but a dictatorship of the CLASS, not of a party or of a clique -- dictatorship of the class, that means in the broadest possible form on the basis of the most active, unlimited participation of the mass of the people, of unlimited democracy." - Rosa Luxemburg
"An Rhein und Ruhr marschieren wir. / Für unsere Freiheit kämpfen wir! / Den Streifendienst, schlagt ihn entzwei! / Edelweiß marschiert – Achtung – die Straße frei!"
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You base it simply on that criteria Malte? In any of his posts has he shown Nazi sentiments? His quote from Hitler states the truth about him. It doesnt support his beliefs or anything similar to them. If someone quotes Stalin who was worse to HIS OWN PEOPLE than Hitler to his "Aryans" This is just jumping to conclusions...
Take note most of the stalinists have been restricted to here..
Rommel may have been a nazi, but what I've learned from him he is not your typical nazi.
He was actually honorable and tried to fight an honorable war.
I think the only reason he was a nazi was because it was mandatory if you want to be in the position he is, but what I've learned of him he was one of the nicest nazi's around.
If I'm wrong please tell me, this is just something I've learned in history class.
It was my mistake to label Rommel as a socialist. He wasn't a political person, but his idealogy was based on socialism and a classless society.
He wasn't involved in any war crimes. For god sakes, he was forced to commit suicide because he was a part of a conspiracy plan to assasinate Hitler. He disregarded Hitler's orders to kill the captured jewish brigade at Tobruk. What else do you want to know about the man he was?
The only reason he was fond of Hitler and the Nazi party (at the start of the war) was because they promised to restore Germany to it's rightful position as a respected power. He was probably the most prominant Nazi supporter around. But Rommel fought for Germany, not Hitler.
You know Malte, I have read a countless number of literary works on the Third Reich and World War 2, and just because Hitler did horrible things, doesn't mean he was (always) a moron.
I'll take off the Hitler quote if it is bothering or offending any of you. I just think that we shouldn't have these little purges of users.
I propose that you should only ban a person (from selected forums) if he has abused his privelidge in the forum.
Whether Rommel was a Nazi, and even whether his main agenda was Nazism, is irrelevant. He chose to militarily support a genocidal war machine. He chose, in spite of what was being done, to advance the goals of the German state, which he knew was Nazi. He knew that German troops would be followed by the Einsatzgruppen who would sytematically murder jews and communists i the territory the german Army conquered.
So, regardless of his beliefs, he was a proponent of Nazism and genocide
Yes, the Einsatzgruppen argument is a good one.
Forgot about them for a sec.
Yes, I agree. Rommel must have known about this, but still we could only wish that more Nazi's were like him during the war.
what?? rommel was one of the (if not the only) good guys for the nazis. the main reasons he fell out with hitler is that he refused to be a jew killer, and he thought germany should surrendor in WWII to save lives.
as someone who did serve in the military for a short while, i can say whatever your senior officer tells you, you do it! rommel was a military man, not a political man. he fought for germany because that is the way many germans thought back then. if your party tells you to do something, you must do it, because the party is always right. even with this attitude, rommel still stood up to hitler and it cost him his life!
just because he was associated with the nazis, he will not be remembered for being the great military strategist he was. he was not a nazi in ideology, only in name.
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rommel was a nazi, nazis are fascist, fascism is a more or less, fucked up system of rascist socialism. It is socialism in the sense that they believe in equality as well. Fascism is completely hypocritical though. The fascist theory blames their problems on one group of people, in the nazis' case, the jews. No, fascism is SUPPOSEDLY socialist but there is too much hypocracy and rascism involved for this to be true.
fascism is not socialism. not in any way, it is the opposite! fascism was created to stop the lower classes taking power. as lenin says, it is 'capitalism in decay'. you are thinking of national socialism. national socialism is not fascism. hitlers government was not national socialist, it was fascist. a national socialist government would be economically left wing (socialist) but politically right wing (nationalist).
and rommel was not a nazi. he did not believe in nazi ideology. he was a military man. very few military men beleive in politics.
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i am thinking of fascism not national socialism.
and yes, rommel was a nazi, i never said he believed in the nazi ideology but he was a nazi who worked for hitler. I have studied this for half my life, i thik i would know.
explain to me how fascism is in the least bit socialist?
as i have said. rommel was a military man, he did what he was told. he was a patriotic german who fought for his country. do you think every red army man is communist? or every US GI is a die hard capitalist? no, or course not. correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe Red Celtic served in the US navy? he is not a capitalist, is he?
if rommel was a die-hard nazi, how come he tried to kill hitler?
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i am not saying fascism is socialist I agree with you, it is not the least bit. All I am saying is that it is classified as socialism.
