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    I think it was inevitable, because both ideolgies couldnt be together. Who is to blame???
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    well, you could say capitalism for avoiding its wipe off the earth. but then again, we could be living in 1984 with the rigid stalinist soviet union style of communism
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    Quote: from kingbee on 12:12 am on April 5, 2002
    well, you could say capitalism for avoiding its wipe off the earth. but then again, we could be living in 1984 with the rigid stalinist soviet union style of communism
    That isn't communism, that is totalitarianism.
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    The cold war was inevitable, not because of ideology, but because of the existance of competing hegemonical powers. Why, after the small invasions of siberia by the US, and the withdrawal, and after 1932 when the USSR was finally recognized by the US, was there no "cold war"? The answer lies in the fact that neither nation was in a position to be hegemonical, rather the hegemonical powers of that time were the anglo-french alliance, and the germans. Granted ideology is necessary to have a hegemonical power. THe anglo-french rallied under the ideas of liberalism, like the americans would later on, and the germans used nazism as their hegemonical ideology on which they hoped to shape the world.

    The catch is that the ideology is an outgrowth of the conflict not the cause, it is something that is used by competing powers, not something that makes two nations compete.
    Why is there tension with china, despite the fact that they've basically adopted our economic system. It's because they are the forseeable competing hegemonic power.
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    The USSR abused tha system,which should be marxism.
    When the USSR was in da cold war the country was in chaos cuz of shitty rulers.thats why cappitilism won.
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    The capitalism dident won the coldwar it was nobody cause of the ussr fall was Gorbastjov, he is to blame all of it.
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    Didn't the cold war started after WW2? Was it not because the former USSR wanted the US to retive forces from East or West Germany(Can't remember which!)? Also the Cuban missle crisis and all of the weapons competiton? Answer back.
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    The cold war started almost immediatly after world war 2. With the Americans having "The Bomb" and using it, and threatening to use it all the time. Immediatly after WW2 Patton wanted to keep going from Berlin striaght to Russia. He had to be pulled out by Harry Truman because of that. Plus all the American forces and military hardware was now in Europe on longer at home.

    Then the Nazi's going for a power grab through out of all of Europe left a vacuum which both sides grabbed. America grabbed the west and Russia the East. Both sides allowing atonomy of all countries but Russia with military controlled the Eastern sides from a far and the U.S. basically untouched by the war financed the west rebuilding.

    America used communism as political attacks on opponents, and broke up trade unions with red fear. Russia began putting to death dissidents on their side.

    Both built up nukes under multual destruction. Both funded insurgents in countries with revolutions to widen their power and influence on continents and have guranteed trade with countries with resources. Then both would go to hot wars with eachother, threaten nukes, then the wars would become either to great a cost to warrent the resources they were after or unpopular at home then end.

    For Russia the fear of Capitalism allowed the people in power to stay in power with fear tactics, allow them to build up arms for defense then sell obsolete weapons to other countries for capital. In the west the fear of communism allowed for rich weapon manufacturers to become more rich as they landed larger and larger government contracts.

    It would have been great if Stalin hadn't been in power and who ever was would not have played into the American's hands and not built up forces. Hoping that the international community would assist against American acts of aggression. Unfortunetly the only thing keeping America in check was a balance of power with Russsia. America was almost untouched by the war, didn't have to spend money rebuilding just upgrading and military. The international community couldn't have helped.

    So both sides are to blame, they both worked to control their populations through unpopular means. If America didn't have communism it would have found another enemy to fight. Like once it was IRAN, then Kadaffi, then the Panama leader, then Huissein, then Milosovik, Osama, then Hueissen They always have some kind of boogey man wanting to steal their freedom.

    So no American actions, Stalin rule not communism would not be in check and it would have run rampent. No Russia to keep America in Check, rampant capitalism and some other boogy man to chase and fuel fear.
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    Stalin wasn't even involved in the cold war hardly, it was kruschev and other ANTI-stalin leaders that caused it. Stalin set the stage, the liberals played it, and played it poorly and communism lost.

    "That isn't communism, that is totalitarianism. "

    Dumbass, communism is economy, totalitarianism is goverment, stalinism is the only succesful way to put communist economy into practice.

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