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Hypothetical situation in a future communist society
You walk on the street a day, and then you'll see a guy coming out of his house with a gray sweater with Hitler's face on it. He goes to a ice-cream terminal, and then raises his right arm and starts to shout "SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL!"
What would you do? What would the society do?
Move this crap to Learning or Chit-Chat.
Well, I am just curious what would happen. How would disturbance of public order being taken care of in a stateless society?
"SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL!"
What's that mean?
What if it was in a community that doesn't know what that means? Nothing will probably be done. Now if it was in a communist society, that had a high concentration of people who are Jewish,then i suspect their would be something done.
Last edited by blackstone; 26th February 2008 at 17:59.
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he might be a sick person with mind dissabilities and he doesnt know what the fuck he is doing.if so and you understand it it would be shame to attack a sick kid!BUT if you see him and he is a normal fucking fascist HUNG him!Death is the only thing that he deserves!
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"Pick up a a rock and bash his facist skull in!" would be the first thought.
I'm sure the masses would recognize the threat of what he's saying, and therefore silence him. What should the fitting punishment for Facism be, for that matter?
Last edited by Sankofa; 26th February 2008 at 18:08.
I do not think fascism will be a threat in a stable communist society, since only what we would call "gnomes" ("tomtar" in Swedish) would support any strange ideologies like that. And "gnomes" are more of a psychological problem for themselves than a threat to the surrounding environment.
I do not believe that communism should resemble mob rule, the least civilised and most problematic system of social conduct.
Ideologies such as Nazism should be completely demolished and not tolerated.
What's the point of establishing a classless society if we let reactionaries spew their rhetoric in the open? While I don't think one looney is so much a problem, it's his ideals that would be dangerous; shut him down before he can infect people.
I think the people branding together and smashing this type of behavior is the very example of socialism, is it not?
Last edited by Sankofa; 26th February 2008 at 18:34.
That would make about as much sense as someone screaming "VIVE LE ROI!" on the streets of Paris today.
Under good material conditions, loonies would just infect other loonies. And loonies are an integral part of mankind.
Capitalism flourishes, and yet, both more progressive ideologies and more reactionary ideologies are generally tolerated under capitalism. I cannot see why communism should be overtly ideologically repressive.
Fascists aren't an integral part of mankind. Hugo Chavez put it best when he said that "Fascistas no son humanos" Fascists aren't human.
Communism isn't about being fair, right? It's about the dictatorship of the proletariat. Fascism and other reactionary ideologies undermines our entire struggle and revolution.
Fascism is racism, homophobia, sexism, discrimination, oppression; in one word, Fascism is capitalism! It should be destroyed, and anyone advocating such a position in a Communist society deserves to be at the receiving end of a firing squad.
Last edited by Sankofa; 26th February 2008 at 19:25.
by the time communism fully comes into fruition, hopefully racism/fascism will have been successfully be debunked as as stupid and irrelevant as the persecution and burning of witches.
So in serpent's hypothetical scenario, a seig heiling bonehead under communism would be regarded with the same ridicule as someone running about today crying ''she's a witch! Burn her!''.
Communism is the society which is established after the dictatorship of the proletariat, not an eternal dictatorship of the proletariat (because there would be no proletariat anymore since classes has been abolished).
Thanks, mistake noted, but you're not addressing the point.
Who are we benefitting by tolerating Fascism? Certainly not the masses.
There's a big difference between tolerating Fascism and tolerating Fascists, and it's not just semantics. It's a completely different thing to prevent ultra-nationalist authoritarian systems, and to hang up on the instant anyone who strays from the Party Line in thought, or even action. The idea that there's Goodthink and anyone who strays from it should be annihilated is just totally unacceptable in a sensible society.
Well on this matter I think there needs to be some clarification on the actual nature of the society in question.
For example is the world socialist and communism under construction? Or is this occurring in a nation state constructing socialism?
In the former, by that time fascism, which is an expression of captialism should have been fully debunked, and left on the ash heap of history. To use Ulster Socialist's words:
However, communism can only be developed after the construction of socialism in all countries, which will slowly break down all hither to national barriers.
Now if the latter is the case, a nation state constructing socialism, the person most likely would be arrested and possibly executed for promoting an counter ideology.
That this would occur in a socialist state should not be a surprise. The same actually occurs in all class dictatorships at all times in human history. As no class dictatorship Proletarian, Bourgeois, or otherwise is going to willingly accept a threat to its power.
Generally speaking opposing ideologies under Western bourgeois-"democracies" are ridiculed so as to make the proponent look like a fool or a nut-job and sometimes both...arrests and executions being for those who are actually considered a threat that propaganda cannot take care of in and of itself. In more obvious bourgeois dictatorships arrest and execution would happen there as well.
I think the members of society would take care of it in some way. A stateless society does not mean chaos. It means the absence of the oppressive elements that comprise the STATE. So somehow, this would be necessarily taken care of.
Maybe they'd throw ice cream at him?
"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Workers of the World Unite!" -Karl Marx
"The dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags, the dictatorship of the proletariat imposes a series of restrictions on the freedom of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists. " -Vladimir Lenin
"The People's democratic dictatorship needs the leadership of the working class. For it is only the working class that is most far-sighted, most selfless and most thoroughly revolutionary. The entire history of revolution proves that without the leadership of the working class revolution fails and that with the leadership of the working class revolution triumphs." -Mao Zedong
I think ridicule and isolation from media is a more humane way than execution, which would just brew opposition and martyrs.
Organised fascism in the future communist society would most likely be as fringe as UFO movements or hermits sitting in a cabin with guns... They would in no way be able to gather popular support, and therefore, just loonies will be attracted.
Sure, they could potentially threat individuals, but not the foundation of society, because under communism, there is no centralised vector of control which a reactionary movement could conquer and subvert.
You're misunderstanding me. I don't approve of this type of actions towards people that simply disagree or simply differ in opinion against the "party line" of thought.
I'm talking about defending our ideology period. Are you really going to argue that not tolerating Fascism (therefore not tolerating Fascists) is wrong?
