Do you eat meat? Poll #3

[Sentinel]

This is the third 'official' RevLeft dietary choice poll -- see poll #1 (2004-2006) and poll #2 (2006-2008) for previous discussions on the subject. Vote for your personal preference and explain the reasoning behind it! Also, feel free to continue any interrupted discussions from the old threads in this new one.

I have closed and unstuck the last poll on this issue, as the software conversion from IPB to Vbulletin enabled members to vote for a second time, and it had run for over a year already. The results -- which unfortunately aren't entirely accurate -- were as follows:

Yes, I have no problems with eating meat: 273 (63.93&#37
Yes, but only if it's free (freeganism) 15 (3.51%)
Yes, but only certain types (specify) 37 (8.67%)
No, but I use milk products and eggs (lacto-ovo-veg.) 46 (10.77%)
No, I'm a vegetarian 30(7.03%)
No, I follow the vegan philosophy and lifestyle 26 (6.09%)

Voters: 427.

PS. Sorry for doing this before hearing back from you, NoXion -- I PM'd you about this about a month ago but got no reply.
The same should be done with the other polls in this forum, as the results no longer are accurate.
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[RedAnarchist]

Yes, I do. I see it as perfectly natural. I don't not care if people eat meat or not, as that is their own choice. It is not a choice of good or bad, it is a choice of what foods you wish to eat.

[AGITprop]

Meat, 4 , Veggie, 0

[Kropotesta]

I'm vegan.

[apathy maybe]

Once more there is obvious problems with the various poll options.

* Yes, I have no problems with eating meat
OK, this option is fine...
* Yes, but only if it's free (freeganism)
Incorrect definition of freeganism.
* Yes, but only certain types (specify)
I only eat pork and shell fish.
* No, but I use milk products and eggs (lacto-ovo-veg.)
This is vegetarianism, thus the following option is redundant.
* No, I'm a vegetarian
There are various sorts of vegetarianism, but the previous is all that is really needed.
* No, I follow the vegan philosophy and lifestyle
Should be consistent and just have "vegan" (not all vegans have a philosophy as such)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I love meat. Especially pig products such as ham, bacon, pork scratchings, sausages, Spam, bockwursts, hotdogs, pepperoni and black puddings, as well as other meat treats such as burgers, corned beef, steak, scotch eggs, mixed kebabs and fried chicken.

I could never be a vegan. Life without eggs, cheese, milk chocolate, butter, cream and lard? Sheer madness. Especially when you consider how many of the previously listed items form the principal ingredients of yummy treats.

PS. Sorry for doing this before hearing back from you, NoXion -- I PM'd you about this about a month ago but got no reply.
The same should be done with the other polls in this forum, as the results no longer are accurate.

Sorry, I must have missed it. I've stopped getting pop-up alerts when I recieve new PMs for some reason.

[Jazzratt]

I eat meat, I am about to eat meat and every meal I've had today bar breakfast had meat in it.

I also want to start chanting "6-1 to the meat eaters!" like I'm on a football terrace.

[Cult of Reason]

I eat meat, have always regularly eaten meat (lucky me) and will continue to do so as so far the opposing camp have not come up with any convincing arguments not to.

[Kropotesta]

I find it quite shocked that so many lefties so far ain't posted to being veg. not just cos of the lack of concern for the animals but also ignoring the enviromental and economic problems the meat and diary industry produce.

[bellyscratch]

Viva is good veggie and vegan website that explains why going veggie is good for your diet, good for animals, good for the environment and good for less fortunate humans too

i tried to post a link to the website but it wouldnt let me so ill do it like this

www dot viva dot org dot uk

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I find it quite shocked that so many lefties so far ain't posted to being veg. not just cos of the lack of concern for the animals

Because having one's throat torn out by wild predators is so much nicer than a bolt to the brain. Oh wait.

but also ignoring the enviromental and economic problems the meat and diary industry produce.

Why highlight the problems of the meat and dairy industry when there are far more damaging industries in existance?

Not only that, but if in the unlikely event that everyone were to stop eating meat today, capitalism would simply ensure that non-meat food production would be expanded. This means bulldozing hedgerows that host all kinds of wildlife in favour of vast, monocultural plains of corn/maize/soya/whatever to make the job easier for combine harvesters.

The problem is ultimately capitalism, not people's dietary choices.

Viva is good veggie and vegan website that explains why going veggie is good for your diet,

It is perfectly possible to eat a healthy diet that includes meat. In fact, it is possible to eat a diet that is mostly meat and still be healthy - lean meat is highly nutritious.

good for animals,

False. If people who really care about the welfare of animals stop eating meat, then the only people who will eat meat are those who do not care about animal welfare - they will eat the cheapest and tastiest meat, regardless of cruelty.

It is a far better idea to encourage people to buy meat that has been reared in good conditions - a well treated stock animal has a much more pleasant existance than any wild animal.

good for the environment

That is entirely dependent on good practices, not whether one rears animals or grows crops. How are huge, monotonous belts of monoculture crop fields better than a mixed farming approach? Growing crops can be just as polluting and disruptive as raising stock.

and good for less fortunate humans too

"less fortunate humans" don't get enough to eat because of inherent inequalities in the capitalist economy, not because of the kebab I had last Sunday.

[Led Zeppelin]

The animals in question are bred for the purpose of us eating them, hence vegetarianism is absurd.

[Kropotesta]

Because having one's throat torn out by wild predators is so much nicer than a bolt to the brain. Oh wait.

Why highlight the problems of the meat and dairy industry when there are far more damaging industries in existance?

Not only that, but if in the unlikely event that everyone were to stop eating meat today, capitalism would simply ensure that non-meat food production would be expanded. This means bulldozing hedgerows that host all kinds of wildlife in favour of vast, monocultural plains of corn/maize/soya/whatever to make the job easier for combine harvesters.

The problem is ultimately capitalism, not people's dietary choices.

What the fuck? I don't believe in the occupation of humans nor animals. do you have any fucking idea what captivity is like for animals? at least with wild predators they can develop straergies to avoid being eaten instead of being cradle to grave by humans.

the meat and diary industry produces the most CO2 emissions pretty much. like 30% if not more whereas planes which everyone bangs on about around 8%.....and your ideas that non meat production would then fill this gap is laughable as that is not where the emmissions come from.
also if we used the land we use for rearing animals for growing crops we could feed the world 3 times over.

[Kropotesta]

The animals in question are bred for the purpose of us eating them, hence vegetarianism is absurd.

no life is determined by the owner, grower, birther.

[Kropotesta]

http://libcom.org/forums/thought/ani...nst-capitalism

interesting thread on libcom

[bellyscratch]

Because having one's throat torn out by wild predators is so much nicer than a bolt to the brain. Oh wait.

Why highlight the problems of the meat and dairy industry when there are far more damaging industries in existance?

Not only that, but if in the unlikely event that everyone were to stop eating meat today, capitalism would simply ensure that non-meat food production would be expanded. This means bulldozing hedgerows that host all kinds of wildlife in favour of vast, monocultural plains of corn/maize/soya/whatever to make the job easier for combine harvesters.

The problem is ultimately capitalism, not people's dietary choices.



It is perfectly possible to eat a healthy diet that includes meat. In fact, it is possible to eat a diet that is mostly meat and still be healthy - lean meat is highly nutritious.

False. If people who really care about the welfare of animals stop eating meat, then the only people who will eat meat are those who do not care about animal welfare - they will eat the cheapest and tastiest meat, regardless of cruelty.

It is a far better idea to encourage people to buy meat that has been reared in good conditions - a well treated stock animal has a much more pleasant existance than any wild animal.

That is entirely dependent on good practices, not whether one rears animals or grows crops. How are huge, monotonous belts of monoculture crop fields better than a mixed farming approach? Growing crops can be just as polluting and disruptive as raising stock.

"less fortunate humans" don't get enough to eat because of inherent inequalities in the capitalist economy, not because of the kebab I had last Sunday.

i do agree with what your saying, but limiting all problems to the fault of capitalism is just naive and even in a socialist society problems will still arise. Once capitalism is finally eradicated, i agree that conditions should be improved, but more needs to be done to make of them of a satisfactory standard. Im not saying im an expert and know all the solutions.

I know there are more important issues than animal welfare from a human perspective but, i feel these issues still need to be taken into consideration from moral point of view.

[Vanguard1917]

I eat meat, and i feel lucky that i'm able to add meat to my daily diet. Hundreds of millions of people around the world, due to their poverty, unfortunately still cannot.

[Kropotesta]

it's ridculous how revolutionists are all for overthrowing their oppressors but then are all for oppression of other living beings.

[Colonello Buendia]

I eat pretty much anything that once lived.

[black magick hustla]

I find it quite shocked that so many lefties so far ain't posted to being veg. not just cos of the lack of concern for the animals but also ignoring the enviromental and economic problems the meat and diary industry produce.

i finished eating two delicious hot dogs mmmmmmm later i had cookies (which prolly had butter) with two delicious cups of chocolate milk

poor little moomoos that are now in my stomach