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The UN
What are people's general perceptions of the UN? Both in its current incarnation, and whatever you think it might have the potential to become.
My feelings, and I suppose I might say hopes, are mixed.
I think the UN seems to have some kind of "right idea" to stand on, but it has time and again showed that it is allied to imperialist interests. Also, it doesn't have any power to show, one example being the Iraq war, in which only five or so nations supported.
"In February 1991, while attending the National Grocers' Association, President Bush visited a model supermarket. When taken to the checkout counter and shown how to pass a couple of items over the scanner, he excitedly voiced his admiration for this "new technology." It was evident he had not visited a supermarket in years, if ever."
-Michael Parenti, "Against Empire"
I think that the UN today is really nothing more than a big charity organization. It lacks any power, authority, and above all independance to have any real impact. Idea is good, tho, but in practice... The superpowers dont give a shit about the UN has to say (Iraq war).
Exactly. George Bush said he would go to the UN for a vote with Iraq and he didn't keep that promise. If you don't respect the UN you aren't going to help enforce anything they do. Look at the situation with Lebanon and Israel was it last year? Whenever recently Israel invaded Lebanon. The UN said to have a cease fire and Israel gave the UN the middle finger. One thing a professor of mine (a political scientist) has talked about is how the UN has no power to enforce anything such as cease fires. They don't have any type of military or anything like that. Only when EVERYONE respects the UN and their authority and works together will it even start to matter and have an impact on the world. You're totally right red.
i pretty much agree on what has been said already. maybe when the revolution comes, this can be built upon to actually work.
Its just another layer of government imposed on people, atlhough they have done a lot of good in some parts of the world.
The UN is the organ that is used to moderate imperialism and capitalist international anarchy. It is a creation of capitalism and is rooted in that system. After the revolution, it will be destroyed.
"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Workers of the World Unite!" -Karl Marx
"The dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags, the dictatorship of the proletariat imposes a series of restrictions on the freedom of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists. " -Vladimir Lenin
"The People's democratic dictatorship needs the leadership of the working class. For it is only the working class that is most far-sighted, most selfless and most thoroughly revolutionary. The entire history of revolution proves that without the leadership of the working class revolution fails and that with the leadership of the working class revolution triumphs." -Mao Zedong
Hahha the UN is a joke. A complete joke. In June 2006, in the Israeli-Leabaon-Hamas war. The UN called for a cease fire and Israeli bombed a UN outpost. Come on, the UN has absolutely no power to enforce anything it decrees. It does not keep world peace, it does not stop expotilation. It is more of a front stand for the world bourgeoisies powers
Israel sucks ass
Please excuse my spelling, I suck ass at spelling. Sorry.
Believe it or not, you can read it.
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It could be a positive force, if nations like the US, Israel and Britain would subscribe to international law and not ignore the U.N.'s resolutions regarding things like Palestinian rights.
Last edited by Trystan; 20th February 2008 at 03:39.
Sorry mate but the UN is very very far from ever being a positive force. Its basic structure would not allow a positive balance of rights and justice for the world. Those who participate in the hearings, discussion and resultions making process are representatives of the bourgeois. And even if the slim chance of something actually good and benfitual to the workers is created from the organization, there is no chance it will be enforced or will actually happen seeing as how the UN just doesn't have the ability or resources for such things.
Israel sucks ass
Please excuse my spelling, I suck ass at spelling. Sorry.
Believe it or not, you can read it.
I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit plcae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?
There's a number of problems with it. For one, putting a bunch of world powers on the security council doesn't seem like a good way to run things. Secondly, all the people involved, as ( R )evolution said, are bourgeois politicians.
It's a good idea though. If only it dealt with... maybe... worker's collectives and such... and was organized to be something like, you know, "one big union".
I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
Collective Bruce Banner shit
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The UN is totally useless..
The UN is not only useless but by giving some of the most criminal nations voices and votes and by allowing it to become merely a forum for politiking it has become criminally repungnant. I refuse to respect an organization in which Saudi Arabia and China not only have a seat on the Human Rights Committee, but they and their allies control it.
If aid organization is the major concern as Canada Rocks seems to believe, then why not disband its political functions. Or even better invest all the billions pumped into the UN into the Red Cross. With the Red Cross at least you have a better shot of petty little dictatorships embezzeling the supplies, and at getting it to where it needs to be. It also has I believe a larger staff, with nearly 100,000,000 volunteers and 300,000 full time staffers soley devoted to their human rights causes. Their private budget alone is in the billions, so why not just divest from the UN and reallocate all of that wasted money towards the International Red Cross?
the thing about the UN is, it is "united nations," but not all nations are included, indigeneous peoples are not given voting status and are only allowed to speak in one working group. technically, the UN should be called the united states, since only states can hold seats. The other thing is, the only relevant committee is the security council, but only six countries have permanent seats and veto power. So much for internationalism.
