Does the EZLN have the military strength to resist a new offensive?
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Zapatistas under attack
Following increased tensions in Chiapas, including the deployment of new Speical forces, an increase in paramilitary activity, including several shootings and attacks on the Zapatista comunity [FONT=Helvetica]Bolon Ajaw III[/FONT] . Marcos has explicitly stated that he is not doing any more public appearances and is concentrating on strengthing and commanding the zapatista army of national liberation.
There is no date for the next encuentro.
¨Those of us who have made war know what the preparations for war look like¨
From people I know who are currently there, they say shit is going to kick off bigtime. I have managed to find a, translated, full reposrt by a Chiapas based solidarity group;
http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://chiapas.indymedia.org/display.php3%3Farticle_id%3D152776&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dzapatistas%2Bindymedia%26hl%3Den%26ie %3DUTF-8
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"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
As far as I know the EZLN could have been wiped-out the first day the movement started.
The only reason why our dear and corrupt mexican goverment hasn't exterminated them, is because they don't really pose much treat.
[FONT=Arial Black]WAR IS PEACE!
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY!
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH![/FONT]
-INGSOC slogans
Who can say? The EZLN don't publically anounce their millitary strenght.
The EPR (popular revolutionary army) are a Chiapas based communist group who have anounced their support for the EZLN (though the EZLN refuse to associate with them because they advocate a workers state) but the EPR are better equiped and trained, they're a much stronger millitary. Though they have no mass support.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
They should have enough military support to repel attacks but not enough to go on the offensive.
It goes one for the student who refuses to submit and two for the teacher who is under-paid as shit, and three for the strikes who give young bloods life and four for the years you spent stifled inside.
Infoshop
I highly doubt that they have any military support to repel goverment attacks. The communist league "23 de septiembre" during 1973 was the most supported and numerous guerrilla group, but when the goverment actually decided to stop ignoring them and exterminate them, they did it without much effort.
The EZLN has less support so if the goverment wanted to attack them, they would perish, they don't even have all the support of all indians in Mexico.
But since they haven't really much, I also doubt that the goverment would want to attack them.
[FONT=Arial Black]WAR IS PEACE!
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY!
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH![/FONT]
-INGSOC slogans
Everyone sign this petition.
http://www.petitiononline.com/HELPEZLN/petition.html
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
Ha, anarchists distributing petitions to send to the US congress, senate and president, pathetic.
Devrim
As anarchy is for the most part unachievable at the moment, we anarchists have to settle for working and outwitting the system.
When I was in Chiapas, I did not see much of the Zapatista military force. They keep to themselves and do not publicize who they are. I could have met Subcomandante Marcos on the street, who knows.
The Mexican police, however, are well equipped, numerous, very serious and dangerous.
Superb, you will be voting next.Originally Posted by wethepeople
Devrim
What are you basing these assertions on?
Here's a thread on the EPR for anyone interested: http://www.revleft.com/vb/ongoing-so...x.html?t=63076
"Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar
Maybe. Or, maybe we will just wait until after the election, and if we don't like the winner, we will assassinate him/her/hillary.
I will presume from your post that you are an idiot. However, Wat Tyler is a member of an anarchist organisation, and as such deserves to be treated seriously.
What on Earth are you doing distributing petitions, Wat Tyler?
Devrim
You're an idiot. I'd like to see an armchair revolutionary like you assassinate a president. If you could actually do that you wouldn't be stupid enough to post about it on a public message board. It's fucking sad that this kind of shit passes for anarchism these days.
Well I read it in La Journada in Mexico City this July, So I can't source it online, but you could email the editors.
Here's a thread on the EPR for anyone interested: http://www.revleft.com/vb/ongoing-so...x.html?t=63076[/quote]
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
You do my fucking head in sometimes. It's going to Marcos and the people of chiapas aswell, which to me is a pretty positive message of solidarity.
Well you probably would have noticed him because he'd be surrounded by press. So I am willing to bet a lot of money that you didn't.
I am under no illusions. Petitions don't make change, you must know me well enough. I don't honestly believe the US congress will suddenly bow to the demands of it, even if 6 billion people signed it. The point however is that it shows where public oppinion stands, and delivers a message of support to the people of Chiapas. That's all. I still propose social and economic revolution, and am active in trying to creating it.
Having been to both Oaxaca and Chiapas on political terms, you know that I am hardly one who has hope in petitions. But I would ask you to sign it for the merits I listed.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
What, it does your head in when somebody happens to mention that you are pushing liberal nonsense.Originally Posted by Wat Tyler
Actually, in my opinion anarchism wouldn't be that bad if it stuck to its principles. The problem with it is it always ends up falling into leftism or, equally bad in this case, just abject liberalism.
Devrim
That's a rediculous strawman given the context.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
I signed it and anyone who has a problem with me doing so can go pray to St Marx and St Bakunin.
(edit - I put a fake zipcode in, didn't know I could put in a postcode).
Last edited by RedAnarchist; 11th February 2008 at 18:00.
