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Super Tuesday voting: Your views
Nearly half all US states go to the polls to help select the candidates for the Presidential election. What does the vote mean to you?
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"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Workers of the World Unite!" -Karl Marx
"The dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags, the dictatorship of the proletariat imposes a series of restrictions on the freedom of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists. " -Vladimir Lenin
"The People's democratic dictatorship needs the leadership of the working class. For it is only the working class that is most far-sighted, most selfless and most thoroughly revolutionary. The entire history of revolution proves that without the leadership of the working class revolution fails and that with the leadership of the working class revolution triumphs." -Mao Zedong
That's the official revleft news bot, not a spambot.
I wasn't able to register in time. Mum voted Clinton. I wanted to puke. She said he was too 'uppity' and 'cocky'.
"We are now becoming a mass party all at once, changing abruptly to an open organisation, and it is inevitable that we shall be joined by many who are inconsistent (from the Marxist standpoint), perhaps we shall be joined even by some Christian elements, and even by some mystics. We have sound stomachs and we are rock-like Marxists. We shall digest those inconsistent elements. Freedom of thought and freedom of criticism within the Party will never make us forget about the freedom of organising people into those voluntary associations known as parties."
--Lenin
Socialist Party (Debs Tendency)
Well the primary doesn't mean much to me. I think people's (false) hopes will be raised if Obama beats Clinton. People are pretty cynical about Clinton - even her supporters, but young Obama supporters actually see to think that Obama will stop the war and do something about racism. It will be good if people's hopes are raised at this time and then they might actaully become more militant thinking that "Obama" will listen to them and their desires.
When he doesn't I think there will be and opening to talk to people about the more systematic problems of the system that cause the war and racism and economic problem because they'll have tried the shallow "quick-fix" of replacing Bush.
I want Hillary to go down... Hey...Now they're talking about that fascist sheriff from Arizona. Now there's a fuck I'd even what Hillary to beat.
Anyone else like Mike Malloy?
i liked it because i got to see all these "revolutionaries", "socialist" and "communist" go pick their favorite capitalist. I got to see who's all talk and who actually has some sort of fate and fascination about this system.
we need more revolutions and less "isms"
I boycotted today's election. I don't think any of the remaining candidates would even qualify as reformist social democrats. They're all center-left or worse.
"I am not interested in dry economic socialism. We are fighting against misery, but we are also fighting against alienation." - Che Guevara
Well I'm glad the prolier-than-thou crowd seems to think that the bourgeois superstructure doesn't affect the class struggle... oh wait...
"We are now becoming a mass party all at once, changing abruptly to an open organisation, and it is inevitable that we shall be joined by many who are inconsistent (from the Marxist standpoint), perhaps we shall be joined even by some Christian elements, and even by some mystics. We have sound stomachs and we are rock-like Marxists. We shall digest those inconsistent elements. Freedom of thought and freedom of criticism within the Party will never make us forget about the freedom of organising people into those voluntary associations known as parties."
--Lenin
Socialist Party (Debs Tendency)
how does the newsbot decide when to post outside of the newswire? And why would it post this trivial piece?
I'd support Obama on the basis of his opposition to the war and the neo-conservative doctrine more generally.
Other than that, it's all the same shit.
Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their present consciousness for human, critical or egoistic consciousness, and thus of removing their limitations. This demand to change consciousness amounts to a demand to interpret reality in another way, i.e. to recognise it by means of another interpretation. The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly "world-shattering" statements, are the staunchest conservatives.
Karl Marx
I'm not happy with any of the candidates. SURPRISE. Yeah, I'd prefer some over others like I'd prefer a concussion to a bullet in the face, but I won't be supporting anyone outright. Not even Obama, much to the dismay of my moderate friends. He is a cutie-pie, however.
And what's with the newsbot posting outside of the news forum? Does this mean it's becoming sentient? How much longer will it be until it figures out love?
Notice how Obama always says he was against initially going into the war. His plans for "withdrawal" from Iraq include keeping soldiers in Iraq to "train" the Iraqis - isn't that what the US was doing in Vietnam?
But Obama is trying to play it both ways - he's reassuring policy people that the US will stay in Iraq while talking about his opposition in his stump speeches and debates. However, if he win, I think people will expect him to stop the war and might possibly pressure him and bring about a re-boot of the anti-war movement.
I listen to him off and on but with college and being busy this term I haven't really had a chance. I mostly just listen to Stephanie Miller. I did vote yesterday since my state has an open primary and voted for Obama. He's still way more conservative than me but I think he's the one who can at least get started cleaning up the ultra right's mess so in this regard I agree with Sam Webb on the issue. Oh and with Malloy he's still a liberal even though he's the closet thing we have to listen to sadly. I wish there was a communist radio station.
I like Obama, as he is probably the most left-wing candidate with a realistic chance of winning.
one could make the argument that he is "left" of the other canidates. But he is not left on broader political spectrum, he is right of center.
I would have voted for Clinton, probably, had I voted. A McCain/Clinton match-up is the best thing that the revolutionary movement could ask for right now.
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Obama receives over [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial]54.4% of his campaign contributions from corporations, with the biggest financiers of his campaign coming from [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Wall Street -- [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Kirkland and Ellis, Citigroup Inc, and other powers from the business elite.
If he truly is 'the most left-wing candidate', then why is he dining with these guys?
Whoever is elected, they will wish to cure the sore of "Bush debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan," all in the while, preparing for more campaigns to secure oil fields in Central Asia and the Middle East. It might require a draft, which is something that Democrats will fall in line to if their beloved 'liberal' sweetheart leads us into it. [/FONT]
Look at 'em run, too scared to pull they guns
Outta shape from them coffees and them cinnamon buns
This shit is fun, how I feel when the tables is turned
Dead Prez
Okay. Economism is bad.
How is not voting economist? I think the action of voting represents the (incredibly false) belief that Bourgeois democracy will be an effective method for liberating the masses. That attitude does not deny the existance or importance of the superstructure and is in no way an economist position.
"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Workers of the World Unite!" -Karl Marx
"The dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags, the dictatorship of the proletariat imposes a series of restrictions on the freedom of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists. " -Vladimir Lenin
"The People's democratic dictatorship needs the leadership of the working class. For it is only the working class that is most far-sighted, most selfless and most thoroughly revolutionary. The entire history of revolution proves that without the leadership of the working class revolution fails and that with the leadership of the working class revolution triumphs." -Mao Zedong
I'm sorry. This is a forum for the revolutionary left.
You were trying to go here.http://www.dennis4president.com/home/.
"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Workers of the World Unite!" -Karl Marx
"The dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags, the dictatorship of the proletariat imposes a series of restrictions on the freedom of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists. " -Vladimir Lenin
"The People's democratic dictatorship needs the leadership of the working class. For it is only the working class that is most far-sighted, most selfless and most thoroughly revolutionary. The entire history of revolution proves that without the leadership of the working class revolution fails and that with the leadership of the working class revolution triumphs." -Mao Zedong
