Libcom has some interesting stuff on Kronstadt including translations of every issue of Kronstadt Izvestia http://libcom.org/tags/kronstadt
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I'm doing the Kronstadt rebellion as my leaving cert project in history and was wondering could anyone help me find sources i can use for it .
a book representing both sides written about it ...
Diary entries ? things like that .
Any help would be greatly welcomed .![]()
"Marxist psychology is not a school amidst schools, but the only genuine psychology as a science. A psychology other than this cannot exist. And the other way around: everything that was and is genuinely scientific belongs to Marxist psychology" -Lev Vygotsky
"The Bolsheviks have shown that they are capable of everything that a genuine revolutionary party can contribute within the limits of historical possibilities. They are not supposed to perform miracles. For a model and faultless proletarian revolution in an isolated land, exhausted by world war, strangled by imperialism, betrayed by the international proletariat, would be a miracle."
-Rosa Luxemburg
Libcom has some interesting stuff on Kronstadt including translations of every issue of Kronstadt Izvestia http://libcom.org/tags/kronstadt
Devrim
Lenin on Kronstadt: http://www.marxists.org/archive/leni...921/mar/15.htm
Libcom on the Russian Revolution (lots of works on Kronstadt too):
http://libcom.org/tags/russian-revolution
“Where the worker is regulated bureaucratically from childhood onwards, where he believes in authority, in those set over him, the main thing is to teach him to walk by himself.” - Marx
"It is illogical and incorrect to reduce everything to the economic [socialist] revolution, for the question is: how to eliminate [political] oppression? It cannot be eliminated without an economic revolution... But to limit ourselves to this is to lapse into absurd and wretched ... Economism." - Lenin
"[During a revolution, bourgeois democratic] demands [of the working class] ... push so hard on the outer limits of capital's rule that they appear likewise as forms of transition to a proletarian dictatorship." - Luxemburg
“Well, then go forward, Tower of Bebel! [August] Bebel is one of the most brilliant representatives of scientific international socialism. His writings, speeches and works make up a great tower, a strong arsenal, from which the working class should take their weapons. We cannot recommend it enough… And if the [International] deserves to be named Tower of Bebel... well, then we are lucky to have such a Tower of Bebel with us.” - Vooruit
Libcom is a garbage source biased from a pro-anarchist viewpoint.
I'm not sure why Rakunin, a Marxist, cited that as a good source.
Anyway, here are some good articles on the issue:
Hue and Cry Over Kronstadt
More on the Suppression of Kronstadt
And also, Rosa posted a good article on the matter, but I'm not sure what the link to it is, hopefully she'll see this thread and repost it.
Ah, that's because I trust Coggy. I have posted a link to libcom because it has some information on the subject, though I don't agree with certain analyses.
I hoped others would post other links, as I searched for other articles but I was inable to find any.
“Where the worker is regulated bureaucratically from childhood onwards, where he believes in authority, in those set over him, the main thing is to teach him to walk by himself.” - Marx
"It is illogical and incorrect to reduce everything to the economic [socialist] revolution, for the question is: how to eliminate [political] oppression? It cannot be eliminated without an economic revolution... But to limit ourselves to this is to lapse into absurd and wretched ... Economism." - Lenin
"[During a revolution, bourgeois democratic] demands [of the working class] ... push so hard on the outer limits of capital's rule that they appear likewise as forms of transition to a proletarian dictatorship." - Luxemburg
“Well, then go forward, Tower of Bebel! [August] Bebel is one of the most brilliant representatives of scientific international socialism. His writings, speeches and works make up a great tower, a strong arsenal, from which the working class should take their weapons. We cannot recommend it enough… And if the [International] deserves to be named Tower of Bebel... well, then we are lucky to have such a Tower of Bebel with us.” - Vooruit
Thats the thing i am a Marxist but yet I'm really divided on this issue so i want to look into it as much as i can . I read some stuff on libcom before about it and some articles from Trotsky and ones supporting Trotsky and I'm still very confused so I thought it would be a good project to do .![]()
"Marxist psychology is not a school amidst schools, but the only genuine psychology as a science. A psychology other than this cannot exist. And the other way around: everything that was and is genuinely scientific belongs to Marxist psychology" -Lev Vygotsky
"The Bolsheviks have shown that they are capable of everything that a genuine revolutionary party can contribute within the limits of historical possibilities. They are not supposed to perform miracles. For a model and faultless proletarian revolution in an isolated land, exhausted by world war, strangled by imperialism, betrayed by the international proletariat, would be a miracle."
-Rosa Luxemburg
Thanks for all the links btw comrades![]()
"Marxist psychology is not a school amidst schools, but the only genuine psychology as a science. A psychology other than this cannot exist. And the other way around: everything that was and is genuinely scientific belongs to Marxist psychology" -Lev Vygotsky
"The Bolsheviks have shown that they are capable of everything that a genuine revolutionary party can contribute within the limits of historical possibilities. They are not supposed to perform miracles. For a model and faultless proletarian revolution in an isolated land, exhausted by world war, strangled by imperialism, betrayed by the international proletariat, would be a miracle."
-Rosa Luxemburg
Well, the firsthand accounts I know of are by Emma Goldman and Alexander Berkman- two anarchists who still had pull at the time in the Petrograd Soviet and tried unsuccessfully to mediate between the sailors and the Bolsheviks. Obviously they're quite biased however. There's also Victor Serge's "Memoirs of a Revolutionary" which has some good stuff. Serge was an anarchist who became a Bolshevik, but was rather ambivalent about his party crushing the rebellion. The best secondhand account is "Kronstadt 1921" by Paul Avrich. He's an anarchist historian, but he maintains throughout the book that the Bolsheviks were (from their point of view at least) justified in crushing the rebellion. His account really dispels a lot of mythical thinking about it from both sides.
Originally Posted by Led ZeppelinI think the bit in bold answers your question.Originally Posted by Coggy
There is actually some quite good stuff there including a long extract from Serge's 'Memoirs of a Revolutionary',which is a good read in itself.
Serge is generally treated as a reliable witness. Even for those who support the suppression of Kronstadt surely the fact that the part had to resort to lies to mobilise against the uprising says something.Originally Posted by Victor Serge
Israel Getzler's 'Kronstadt, 1917-1921: The Fate of a Soviet Democracy' is quite new, and was written with access to new data. It is certainly interesting particulary on the point of class composition in the fleet:
If this is true (and nobody has disputed it), it destroys the argument about the sailors being peasants. If we take this information as being representative of the Kronstadt rebels as a whole it would suggest that 59% of the sailors had been there since at least 1916 whilst 93.9% had been there at the time of the October revolution, hardly a great change in the composition of the garrison from when it was the ‘stronghold of the revolution’ in 1917.Originally Posted by Israel Getzler
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