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I was inspired by Rosa's thread in Workers' Actions on workers' activity in China and by one of the key points of Lars Lih's Lenin Rediscovered regarding the original "social democracy":
This premise implies the separate origins of the socialist movement and the workers' movement, and since I read the review above several months ago, this caused me to ask my old question regarding the startling class demographics of neo-fascist parties in a Learning thread:
Is neo-fascism now a faux "workers' movement"?
I'd like to revise that question slightly (different places for quotation marks): Is neo-fascism now a "faux" workers' movement (ie, genuine but self-defeating)?
What about, for another example (two links), the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt?
Given the further implications posed by the questions above, I'd like to ask overall: what is a workers' movement?
[On a more subtle note, I also know the difference between classical "social democracy"/"proletocracy"/"proletarism" and mere united/popular fronts.]
"A new centrist project does not have to repeat these mistakes. Nobody in this topic is advocating a carbon copy of the Second International (which again was only partly centrist)." (Tjis, class-struggle anarchist)
"A centrist strategy is based on patience, and building a movement or party or party-movement through deploying various instruments, which I think should include: workplace organising, housing struggles [...] and social services [...] and a range of other activities such as sports and culture. These are recruitment and retention tools that allow for a platform for political education." (Tim Cornelis, left-communist)