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[AntifaHooligan]

And RaiseYourVoice forgets the existance of anarchist anti-fascists. We have a lot of them in holland. More even than socialists, I think. At least the very active anti-fascists.

I would say anarchism is a sort of socialism.

[jaffe]

"Not socialist" doesnt necisserily mean "right-wing" either... I know a lot of people who consider themselves as militant-antis, planning to get active, etc. but apart from that doesnt really care about politics.

Remember cable street, where thousands of ordinary citizens stood up against the fascists.

they were jews or/and member of the communist party.

[Dr Mindbender]

I would say anarchism is a sort of socialism.

its also been argued that its a form of conservatism too (reduced state).

[RaiseYourVoice]

And RaiseYourVoice forgets the existance of anarchist anti-fascists. We have a lot of them in holland. More even than socialists, I think. At least the very active anti-fascists.

As mentioned already, i considered anarchists socialists. real anarchist engage in class war too after all

Ah yes and my right wing comment was about this:

even those who consider themselves as antifa and right-wing

as for people who hate nazis and generally have a humanist stance but arent into politics: there one should try to bind them to antifashist / anarchist / communist organisations, hating nazis at least in my experience turned out to be a good start to get interessted in politics. A forum though, were they brag about having beat up some random nazi does not help our movement in my opinion

[Autonome-Antifa]

And RaiseYourVoice forgets the existance of anarchist anti-fascists. We have a lot of them in holland. More even than socialists, I think. At least the very active anti-fascists.

Yes there are a lot of anarchist antifas in NL but it are also the most active ones. If more other groups will show there faces at antifa demos we can do much more and bigger things.

[Omi]

Yeah, that's what I meant. You simply put it better!


But one reason why that could be the case is because of the squatters movement, who also is mostly anarchist. (more than socialist, at least.) The squatters make up most of the radical anti-fascists I think.

[Autonome-Antifa]

Yeah, that's what I meant. You simply put it better!


But one reason why that could be the case is because of the squatters movement, who also is mostly anarchist. (more than socialist, at least.) The squatters make up most of the radical anti-fascists I think.

I agree but also there are more and more other thinking people between it. So i dont see a problem with it as long as we accept each other.

And i think there are some people to blame for it and that are two big organistations called International Socialists an DWARS. In de early days of AFA they would come to are demos and in that time we booked great succes with are demos. So i think they have to come more often to are demos so we have more people on the streets.

[An archist]

I agree but also there are more and more other thinking people between it. So i dont see a problem with it as long as we accept each other.

And i think there are some people to blame for it and that are two big organistations called International Socialists an DWARS. In de early days of AFA they would come to are demos and in that time we booked great succes with are demos. So i think they have to come more often to are demos so we have more people on the streets.

Have you tried sending mails to them to invite them openly?

[Omi]

I agree but also there are more and more other thinking people between it. So i dont see a problem with it as long as we accept each other.

And i think there are some people to blame for it and that are two big organistations called International Socialists an DWARS. In de early days of AFA they would come to are demos and in that time we booked great succes with are demos. So i think they have to come more often to are demos so we have more people on the streets.

Oh don't get me wrong, I consider myself anarchist as well, and I'm also active in the squatting movement.

And indeed, more support from other organisations would be very nice indeed. The more people in the streets the better. But one problem is a lot of the dutch leftists seem to dislike the IS for some reason. So much for solidarity...


But let's just get back on topic, this totally isn't about an antifa forum anymore!

[POUM]

they were jews or/and member of the communist party.

Not really, at that time almost every communist party in europe was under Moscow rule. Stalin didn't want the communists at that time to instigate riots in Europe because of the Spanish Civil War and his agreements with Great Britain and France.

[jaffe]

It was against the BUF not against Brittain.

[Dr Mindbender]

in light of recent events in my local area, this forum idea has my FULL SUPPORT.

Fuck it, ANTIFA FOREVER!

[POUM]

It was against the BUF not against Brittain.

I never said that. What i meant was, CP was pretty inactive concerning the BUF march becuase Stalin didn't want the British authorities thinking that communist on the streets meant revolution, because USSR had pacts with France and GB

[jaffe]

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[FONT=Arial]The Labour, Communist and Trades Union movement responded with a campaign to "fight against fascism". The battle of Cable street showed that Mosely and his blackshirts that their brand of hate were not wanted. The battle is one of the most symbolic in working class history[/FONT]

http://www.britannia.com/travel/lond...ney/cable.html

The Battle of Cable Street or Cable Street Riot took place on Sunday October 4, 1936 in Cable Street in the East End of London. It was a clash between the police, overseeing a legal march by the British Union of Fascists (led by Oswald Mosley) on one side, and anti-fascists including local Jewish, socialist, Irish and communist groups on the other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street[/FONT]

[POUM]

Yes, communist groups, but the Communist Party officialy was not at all vocal for it. In fact, on the day of the BUF march they wanted to do a separet march instead of stoping the rightwing one,just to avoid conflict and riots. So you see the point that on Cable street there were only jews and CP members is mistaken. There where all sorts of people from London, Jews,Labour,ILP,Communists,the Irish and various other antifascists.

[Gitfiddle Jim]

Are there any Antifa branches in northern England?

[jaffe]

Yes, communist groups, but the Communist Party officialy was not at all vocal for it. In fact, on the day of the BUF march they wanted to do a separet march instead of stoping the rightwing one,just to avoid conflict and riots. So you see the point that on Cable street there were only jews and CP members is mistaken. There where all sorts of people from London, Jews,Labour,ILP,Communists,the Irish and various other antifascists.

Yeah, but they weren't 'ordinary citizens' as someone pointed out in this thread. They were all well aware of the dangers that fascism posseses. That's because they were threatened by BUF for their political beliefs (commies, socialists, unionists) or for their ethnic roots (Jews, Irish).

Are there any Antifa branches in northern England?

http://www.antifa.org.uk/

contact them

[POUM]

So what's an ordinary citizen? A well-bred english Tori?

[jaffe]

off-topic

ordinary is a stupid word cause I think nobody is ordinary. But I hope you understand what I was saying.

or at least trying
sorry for my bad english.

[POUM]

i guess you meant threatened citizens came. but in case of fascism almost everybody is threteaned except the fascists themselves(this is debatable however) and the bourgeoisie which supports fascism when they need to surpress progressive movements, mostly leftist.