I totally agree.
I can help you with the dutch part of it.h34r:
There was like a antifa-portal but it shut down. I dont know why but it happend.
Let me know when its gonna happen.
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I think there should be an own antifa board. I mean an international and centralized one, where everyone who supports combating fascism physcially is welcome.
Anybody interested in helping out?
R.I.P Thomas Martinsen, AKA "tech" here at RevLeft
I totally agree.
I can help you with the dutch part of it.
There was like a antifa-portal but it shut down. I dont know why but it happend.
Let me know when its gonna happen.
Nazis gibts in jeder stadt bildt banden macht sie platt.!!!
STAY ANTIFA!!!!
KEEP UP THE FIGHT.
SOLIDARITY IS OUR WEAPON.
Bomber Harris flächenbrand, Holland einig ackerland!!!!
http://myspace.com/militantantifa
Antifa Online? Antifa Worldwide?
Something like that? I like the idea but there should be alot of 'fieldwork' being done to attract the people who are familair and active in such groups.
Like having it send around on the AFA mailinglists for countries and a protocol to avoid exposure by hackers/police...
I am certain theres several more things but that jumps to mind first <_<
Anarcho-Syndicalistische Bond
We carry a new world here, in our hearts. - Durruti
When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called 'The People's Stick'. - Mikhail Bakunin, 1873
"I am sick and tired of these half-assed artists and poets who object to organization and want only to play with their belly buttons."
Dolgoff on Anarcho-Primitivism
If anything, we need less people on messageboards bragging about how many fash they fought (or looked dirty at) and more people on the streets and neighbourhoods organising against fascism.
http://www.oppforum.com. And it is all about organizing.
ive got mixed feelings on this. Is it really productive to seperate anti-fascism from communism/socialism?
I like the idea, but I don't think it would accomplish much accept keeping people informed. I guess that could be enough.
And btw to those I was planning some action with; I have canceled it due to lack of interest from enough people. The PMs aren't working so...
The fact is that there a VAST number of working class people who would be the first to put on their steel-toed boots and head down to a BNP rally to bash some fash, but less so willing to cooperate with communism and socialism. Of course our ideas should be introduced whenever possible, but if they are close-minded about communism, they should at least be able to cooperate with us in our anti-fascist efforts. We have a common enemy, and though our immediate goals should be to seduce them with leftist ideas, an excellant way to symbollically unite with the working class is to first ally with them through anti-fascism efforts.
Im working on it right now. Its just called Autonom-Antifa, and you dont have to be radical or even leftist to join, just militant anti-fascist.
Havent found a decent domain for it yet though, but i think im gonna use .tk
Im gonna be working on it for a few weeks until i "open" it. If you are interested in helping out, you are welcome
R.I.P Thomas Martinsen, AKA "tech" here at RevLeft
Well, I think that Anti-Fascism, though it is essential to class struggle and therefore intertwined with revolutionary leftism, you have to think of Anti-Fascism as productive for class struggle, not exactly the struggle for communism. There are definitely members of the working class that know the dangers Fascism imposes on them and would be happy to combat it, but would be not as easily persuaded to combat Capitalism with the same vigor; Anti-Fascism can be recognized as separate ideology, due to its compatibility with the working class as a whole, not simply the socialist movement as a whole. While if this forum started I would probably join purely to organize, but I will stress the importance of praxis; Anti-Fascist theory is sound and straightforward: Fascism is unhealthy for the people because it disregards the needs of people for the needs of State and national unity.
Moreover, Anti-Fascism as the main goal of the working class, especially with class-struggle organizations such as AntiFa, could open the Anti-Fascist proletariat to Socialist ways of thinking; and better unite the fighting with who the fighting are fighting for. I think separating Anti-Fascism as a theory in and of itself is healthy for the working class, certainly....
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You dont HAVE to be socialist/communist to join this forum. The forum is open for all militant anti-fascists, even those who consider themselves as antifa and right-wing (some people actually do. Not many though, but some).
Anyway, who says anti-fascism HAS to be socialist?
R.I.P Thomas Martinsen, AKA "tech" here at RevLeft
Lenin II and Antifa hooligan^^^,
i understand that its productive in the sense that it encourages people who wouldnt necessarilly agree with our ultimate objectives to engage with us, but you have to remember that fascism flourishes because of the failings of capitalism and the absence of a credible alternative. I used to be active in the ANL (a non-communist antifa organisation that went into obscurity) and our whole pretence was trying to sell anti-fascism to the general public without them believing we were acting as a socialist front. It was so frustrating because people had issues that the cappies werent dealing with but the fascists were and i felt totally helpless in my 'non-revolutionary' guise.
The most effective weapon against fascism is in my opinion, education and the presence of a revolutionary explanation and an alternative to the present status quo. The public arent as thick as some of us may think, lets give them some credit sometimes. People are disgruntled, angry and feel as if no-ones dealing with their problems. Its those problems we need to confront first before the boneheads do.
Im working on it right now. Its just called Autonom-Antifa, and you dont have to be radical or even leftist to join, just militant anti-fascist.
Havent found a decent domain for it yet though, but i think im gonna use .tk
Im gonna be working on it for a few weeks until i "open" it. If you are interested in helping out, you are welcome
www.antifa.tk
www.antifa.eu
Nazis gibts in jeder stadt bildt banden macht sie platt.!!!
STAY ANTIFA!!!!
KEEP UP THE FIGHT.
SOLIDARITY IS OUR WEAPON.
Bomber Harris flächenbrand, Holland einig ackerland!!!!
http://myspace.com/militantantifa
Im planning to make a "Feminism" forum at the board, but I am a bit sceptical.
Also, do you people think it should have a religion forum? I mean, it is an anti-fascist forum, but the religion forum could be the place to discuss fundamentalism, etc.
What do you think?
R.I.P Thomas Martinsen, AKA "tech" here at RevLeft
i dont think all these 'single-issue' projects are helpful.
Agreed, you should keep it to Anti-Fascism, Anti-Fascist theory and Anti-Fascist practice, and I suppose a chit-chat and general political discussion forum.
R.I.P. Tech.
Everyone with a class based analyses of society.
right wingers promote sexism, racism, security states etc. themselves, how are they going to fight fashists?
Social Democrats also support wars, anti-worker positions etc.
Anti-Germans and other wacko groups do more bad then good with their "analyses" of society.
Effective anti-fashism can and will only come from the left. sure everyone can beat up a fasho, not everyone can put up idea against them, prevent them from spreading their ideology etc.
antifa is more then black clothes and a baseball bat. its media events, destributing flyers, info evening for the local population etc. etc.
"Not socialist" doesnt necisserily mean "right-wing" either... I know a lot of people who consider themselves as militant-antis, planning to get active, etc. but apart from that doesnt really care about politics.
Remember cable street, where thousands of ordinary citizens stood up against the fascists.
R.I.P Thomas Martinsen, AKA "tech" here at RevLeft
And RaiseYourVoice forgets the existance of anarchist anti-fascists. We have a lot of them in holland. More even than socialists, I think. At least the very active anti-fascists.
Every great advance in natural knowledge has involved the absolute rejection of authority.
-Thomas H. Huxley
Actually I don't think that patriarchal sexism, homophobia, racism etc are apart from class, in fact I think they reinforce each other and all come under the sphere of bourgeois classism.
