National bolshevism

[Dimentio]

How would you define an ideology which is extremely socially reactionary yet economically progressive? I mean, if a political party wants to stone gays, gas Jews and allow men to rape their wives, yet wants to give "the honest working man" collective ownership of the means of production, how would that be defined?

I mean, a lot of the regimes east of the iron curtain were quite socially reactionary (take for example Romania and abortions).

[Vanguard1917]

How would you define an ideology which is extremely socially reactionary yet economically progressive? I mean, if a political party wants to stone gays, gas Jews and allow men to rape their wives, yet wants to give "the honest working man" collective ownership of the means of production, how would that be defined?

Since there are gay, Jewish and female workers, such a party would be reactionary and anti-working class.

I mean, a lot of the regimes east of the iron curtain were quite socially reactionary (take for example Romania and abortions).

They were also 'economically' reactionary, with no workers' control over the means of production.

We have to examine society in its totality. In most instances, it's flawed to say that a society can be 'socially reactionary yet economically progressive'. Reactionary ideas about women, gays, or other nationalities were allowed to flourish under the influence of reactionary bureaucratic control over society and economy.

[MT5678]

Socially progressive correlates with economically progressive.
Socialy regressive people usually just are super-nationalists who pretend to give a shit about the workers, but really don't care. Like Hitler. And random other fascists.

[Colonello Buendia]

the Nazi party was apparently a workers party but only if the worker was an aryan straight man, therefore making the party reactionary. but you need to be socially and economically progressive o be a true workers party

[RedKnight]

Tell that to the Socialist Worker Party of the U.K. They support Hezbollah, though Hezbollah is sexist, anti-jewish, and homophobic.

[Colonello Buendia]

they're the usual "enemy of our enemy" types, most socialists disagree with Hezbollah but there's always someone that pulls the "we love the Islamists because they hate the cappies" card grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr they bug me :angry:

[RedKnight]

Originally posted by Dr Klick@December 28, 2007 11:30 am
they're the usual "enemy of our enemy" types, most socialists disagree with Hezbollah but there's always someone that pulls the "we love the Islamists because they hate the cappies" card grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr they bug me :angry:

Me too.