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    Evo jednog teksta o Sendero luminoso, dugo ih nije bilo.
    La lucha continua!



    19 November 2007
    ''Shining Path's Resurgence in Peru''
    Between August and September 2007, Peruvian soldiers captured as many as 45 members of the Peruvian insurgent movement known as Sendero Luminoso, or Shining Path. In September, there were intelligence reports that there had been a summit of Shining Path leaders in the Peruvian region of Huánuco. Later, in early October, Peruvian Admiral Jorge Montoya expressed his concern about the spreading of Shining Path's ideology within Peru's major universities. Events and declarations like Montoya's, in addition to continuous attacks by the militants against the country's security forces, seem to confirm that the Shining Path is reestablishing some influence.

    How Strong is Shining Path Today?

    In 1980, Abimael Guzman, a philosophy professor who called himself "Comrade Gonzalo," founded Shining Path to carry out an armed struggle to seize power and name himself president of the country. The group launched the uprising on May 17, 1980, with an attack on the town of Chuschi, in the southern province of Ayacucho, but collapsed in 1992 with the arrest of Guzman and his chieftains in downtown Lima. Approximately 70,000 people died as a result of the war.

    Currently, a fighter known only as "Artemio" is the only high-profile Shining Path leader still on the loose. He operates the insurgent group's remaining units in Peru's central jungle region. The force calls itself Proseguir, and compromises 200-300 insurgents. An example of the Shining Path's remaining strength and organization is the so-called Southern Company of the Central Region Committee, which operates in the region of Ayacucho (Shining Path's birthplace) and constitutes a force of approximately 80 men, moving in units of 15-20 rebels.

    Shining Path's Current Attacks and Propaganda Campaign

    The new version of Shining Path, in spite of being a relatively small force, has managed to inflict damage on the country's military and police force by resorting to hit-and-run ambushes of small convoys and patrols. In December 2006, Shining Path killed five Peruvian police officers and two workers from the National Coca Company -- the only authorized seller of coca in the country.

    In January 2007, the rebels ambushed two Peruvian policemen while they traveled in their vehicle near the town of Churcampa in the region of Huancavelica. One policeman died and another was injured. In September, Shining Path rebels utilized long-range rifles to shoot at counter-insurgency army bases in the Peruvian regions of Junín and Ayacucho. In order to strengthen their group, Shining Path fighters resort to taking equipment from the soldiers and policemen that they attack.


    November 2007

    In addition to attacks, the Shining Path leadership is also attempting to gain sympathy among the masses, particularly the inhabitants of the Andes and the Amazon regions.
    Whenever Shining Path insurgents visit an inhabited area, they also leave leaflets praising "Presidente Gonzalo" (Guzman) and calling for a renewed people's war.

    In early September, witnesses detailed how they had seen groups of Shining Path insurgents walking across the small towns of Huánuco region. The belief is that there was a high-level meeting among the remaining Shining Path leadership, with Artemio as the "keynote speaker."

    At least two Shining Path leaders ("Comrade Lee" and "Comrade Maradona") are believed to have attended the meeting, each with a security detail of 20-25 insurgents.

    Counter-Insurgency Operations

    The Peruvian military has also engaged in several operations with somewhat encouraging results. In mid-April, in the town of Tingo María (some 500 kilometers, or 311 miles, southeast of Lima), the police arrested Jimmy Rodriguez, a senior Shining Path leader believed to be close to Artemio and wanted for four murders.

    So far, the biggest success story for the Peruvian government was the capture between August and September of as many as 45 Shining Path members, ranging from fighters to supporters.

    In addition, in late October, three Shining Path members were detained: "Comrade Alex," "Comrade Shego" and "Comrade Huamán," all alleged members of the insurgent group's death squad in charge of selective murders, including a June ambush that killed three policemen. Nevertheless, Artemio has yet to be captured (his identity is still unknown), and despite the capture of dozens of Shining Path members the movement continues to exist, suggesting that its numbers may be greater than originally thought.

    Conclusion

    Today, the Peruvian government lacks a concise internal security plan, as well as the necessary funds and equipment required to combat guerrilla movements. Although the Peruvian military has made notable efforts in recent months to capture the remaining Shining Path leaders, much more would be needed to stop the movement.

    The inability of past administrations, particularly Alejandro Toledo's in 2001-2006, to develop the rural areas of Peru's Andean and Amazon regions where Shining Path is located has allowed the group to once again gain support Unless immediate action is taken by Peru's government and military, Shining Path, in its new Proseguir version could become a more threatening force with which to contend.
    Crvena je krvca, što kipi u nama,
    Crvena je munja, što oblak prolama,
    Crveno je nebo, kad se zorom smije,
    Crven nam je barjak, što se gordo vije;
    Crvena je mržnja u našim grudima,
    Pa i gnev je crven, što nas obuzima;
    O, tirani, čujte – ne treba vam kriti –
    I osveta naÅ¡a – crvena će biti!
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    E ljudi kada postavljate tekst,mislim da vam ne bi bio nikakav problem to da prevedete na srpsko-hrvatski.Cisto da se sacuva autenticna jezicka kultura.Svi smo ovde sa Balkana i razumemo se.
    Sta dobijamo time sto forsiramo jebenu anglosaksonsku kulturu i pravimo od sebe anglosaksonce.Engleski jezik se koristi cisto radi sporazumevanja na drugim podforumima.
    Imam razlog sto ovako reagujem,jer sam ja prvi preveo clanak na srpski jezik kada sam ga postavljao.Ovo nije upuceno tebi Ian-e licno,nego se odnosi na sve.

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    Zaista, jedan ovakav post jeste spam.

    Druze Rankovicu, vi ocigledno zivite u jednom vrlo lagodnom svetu u kome patite od viska slobodnog vremena. Cinjenica je da je za iole kvalitetan prevod potrebno izdvojiti pozamasnu kolicinu vremena, koju vecina nas nazalost nema. Ukoliko si ti u prilici da dostavljas prevode - sjajno, ali je zaista besmisleno ocekivati da ce svi raditi tako nesto. Ovaj podforum je posvecen razmenjivanju vesti, i ukoliko ne postoji adekvatan prevod na nas jezik, a vest vredi, mislim da je sasvim umesno postavljati clanke i na engleskom, na spanskom, kao i na drugim jezicima.

    Ma koliko smatrao da je interesovanje za Sendero luminoso, ukoliko nije u pitanju duhovitost, čista bizarnost. h34r:
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    Druze Niggle,ako nemate slobodnog vremena,onda se bar potrudite da izdvojite jedan topic sa vestima na cistom engleskom.Mislim da je veoma vazno to sto se ovaj podforum zove "srpsko/hrvatski" i to nije nimalo slucajno.U protivnom,trebali bi svi da odemo odavde i nastavimo da postujemo na ostalim podforumima.

    p.s.Nadam se da je ovo bila sala kada si napisao da treba postavljeti vesti i na drugim jezicima(primer spanski),jer je pitanje koliko ljudi barata tim jezikom kada se ima u vidu nedovoljno poznavanje engleskog jezika u Srbiji.Na osnovu vesti na spanskom jeziku bicemo potpuno neinformisani,a mali broj ljudi(ako bude i 10%) koji su isli na razne kurseve,shvatice smisao zapocete teme.Nisam bas siguran da li takve vesti uopste treba postavljati na forum. <_<
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    Slazem se sa drugom Niggle-om te predlazem da se ovaj topik pomeri u trash i da se ova rasprava ne nastavlja ovde (jedino u posebnom topiku).
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    Ja se ne slazem.
    Crvena je krvca, što kipi u nama,
    Crvena je munja, što oblak prolama,
    Crveno je nebo, kad se zorom smije,
    Crven nam je barjak, što se gordo vije;
    Crvena je mržnja u našim grudima,
    Pa i gnev je crven, što nas obuzima;
    O, tirani, čujte – ne treba vam kriti –
    I osveta naÅ¡a – crvena će biti!
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    Ja sam za to da originalna vest ostane, da bi mogla da bude komentarisana i citana, a da se rasprava prebaci u neki drugi topik. Mislim da je na to mislio i drug Nehljudov.
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    ma, postovi mogu i da se brisu, ionako nisu prava diskusija o vesti.
    Crvena je krvca, što kipi u nama,
    Crvena je munja, što oblak prolama,
    Crveno je nebo, kad se zorom smije,
    Crven nam je barjak, što se gordo vije;
    Crvena je mržnja u našim grudima,
    Pa i gnev je crven, što nas obuzima;
    O, tirani, čujte – ne treba vam kriti –
    I osveta naÅ¡a – crvena će biti!
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    Ja sam za to da originalna vest ostane, da bi mogla da bude komentarisana i citana, a da se rasprava prebaci u neki drugi topik. Mislim da je na to mislio i drug Nehljudov.
    Da, pod topik sam mislio na ovu raspravu ovde, ali ne vidim potrebu za tim da se tekst postavlja u srpsko-hrvatsku jezicku sekciju kada su svi ostali delovi foruma na engleskom.
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    Druže Nekhludoff,
    nije se stekao utisak (bar ja nisam, ali nema potrebe da se vraćamo na prethodne postove) da je stvar u jeziku na kome je postovana vest. Tim pre što je npr. drug Bobi na temu koju si ti otvorio (Madrid: sukob desničara i levičara) postovao vest na engleskom , a bilo je i drugih tekstova na engleskom i to do sada nije bio problem.
    No, sve je u redu. Što se mene tiče, ja neću postavljati ništa na stranim jezicima ubuduće.
    Pozdrav
    Crvena je krvca, što kipi u nama,
    Crvena je munja, što oblak prolama,
    Crveno je nebo, kad se zorom smije,
    Crven nam je barjak, što se gordo vije;
    Crvena je mržnja u našim grudima,
    Pa i gnev je crven, što nas obuzima;
    O, tirani, čujte – ne treba vam kriti –
    I osveta naÅ¡a – crvena će biti!
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    Nije problem da se postavljaju stvari na engleskom. Ovaj podforum služi okupljanju ljudi sa ovih prostora; nebitno da li se strani jezik tu i tamo nađe u upotrebi.
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    Druže Nekhludoff,
    nije se stekao utisak (bar ja nisam, ali nema potrebe da se vraćamo na prethodne postove) da je stvar u jeziku na kome je postovana vest. Tim pre što je npr. drug Bobi na temu koju si ti otvorio (Madrid: sukob desničara i levičara) postovao vest na engleskom , a bilo je i drugih tekstova na engleskom i to do sada nije bio problem.
    Ne kazem da je to problem, ali pitanje je kakvi/koliki/koliko citljivi tekstovi su u pitanju. Svakako ne treba insistirati na tome btw. ne moraju svi da barataju sa jos nekim jezikom po difoltu.

    Cinjenica je da je za iole kvalitetan prevod potrebno izdvojiti pozamasnu kolicinu vremena, koju vecina nas nazalost nema.
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    Aman, ako je vest na engleskom, a neko nema vremena ili želje da je prevodi nek je postavi na engleskom. A ako neko ima vremena i želje, kao recimo ranković, nek uzme vest i prevede je i okači je kao reply u istoj temi i gotovo.
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    Drugovi,jel ste vi mene razumeli sta sam hteo da kazem?&#33;

    Nemam nista protiv da se postavljaju vesti na engleskom,ali neka napravi topic ili podforum "news on english".To verovatno drug DJ-TC-u nece predstavljati problem posto je ionako napravio vise odeljaka foruma.
    Meni licno smeta kada se mesaju vesti na srpsko/hrvatskom i engleskom od strane svih koji su ih postavljali,jer mislim da to moze drugacije da se uredi.
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    Upravo to, a za podforum nema potrebe jer je ceo forum na engleskom (ovo je jezicka sekcija). Postoji podforum "Newswire" npr. Ja tu redovno postavljam vesti na engleskom.

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