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    Adolf Hitler and others at a Nazi party rally in Nuremberg, Germany, performing the salute.The Hitler salute (German: Hitlergruß, also known during World War II as the Deutscher Gruß, literally: German Greeting), or the Nazi salute, is a variant of the Roman salute, adopted by the Nazi Party as a sign of loyalty to its leader Adolf Hitler.

    It was adopted following its use by supporters of Italian fascism, a political movement under the leadership of Benito Mussolini, and other mass movements of the era. The Hitler salute became the embodiment of Hitler's cult of personality throughout Nazi Germany. The right arm is raised at an angle of about 135 degrees upwards from the chest and slightly sideways to the right, and is almost always accompanied by the exclamation of the words Heil Hitler! said in a firm and usually loud voice. If standing in front of a superior the heels might be clicked simultaneously. At rallies and meetings the arms of the crowd may also be raised while rhythmically shouting Sieg Heil.

    Although the Italian fascists associated the salute with ancient Rome, Hitler and the SS leader Heinrich Himmler believed that it originated from ancient gatherings of Germanic peoples.

    Hitler regarded the salute as a demonstration of the warlike spirit of the Germans, while Himmler regarded it as a variant of the gesture of giving an oath with a raised spear.

    Such claims had some justification, since historians had long argued that similar gestures were used at the installation of ancient Germanic kings.[1] Illustrations reconstructing such events, and showing the salute, date back to the mid nineteenth century.

    The modern Brockhaus Encyclopedia also repeats these claims, stating that the salute derived from gestures used during the coronation of early medieval German kings along with exclamation of "Heil".[2] According to the Nazis' Nordicist version of Aryan theory, the rulers of ancient Rome were themselves migrants from Northern Europe, and so, in their view, were likely to have brought the salute to Rome from Germany.


    [edit] Use in the Third Reich
    From 1933 to 1945 the Hitler salute was the common German greeting. Heil Hitler! ("Hail to Hitler!")[3] was used when directly addressing a citizen, or, in the Waffen-SS, a higher ranking officer. Hitler himself preferred to be addressed with "Heil, mein Führer!" (Hail, my Leader) or simply "Heil!", as addressing him with "Hitler" would be in third person.

    Sieg Heil! or "Hail victory!" (lit., Sieg "victory", Heil "hail") was a common Nazi chant at rallies, especially after the speeches of Hitler. Usually the words would be repeated three times to form the chant "Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil!"

    Hitler himself would often use the salute, but when on the receiving end he would frequently adopt a modified version, in which his arm was bent up from the elbow, with the palm of his hand bent back towards his shoulder.


    Hitler saluting from a staff carAfter the July 20 Plot in 1944, the military forces of the Third Reich were ordered to replace the standard military salute with the Hitler salute. The order went into effect on 24 July 1944, 4 days after the attempt on Hitler's life in Rastenburg. Previous to this, the salute was optional in the German armed forces, though if met with either the salute or the salutation, it was customary to reply with it. Unlike North American saluting customs, in the German armed forces of the time, juniors would not greet superiors, but remained silent unless offered a greeting by their superior.

    The most efficient use of Hitler's salute was when he would ride a motor vehicle carriage through a crowd of followers. He would salute, and the crowd would respond with the salute. This would mean both parties of the greeting/gesture establish a rapport through copying each others body language and expression. His followers and Hitler strengthened their relationship using such tactics. This would be amplified through propaganda and by using cars to move Hitler as he would build human one-to-one rapport with his audience.


    [edit] After 1945
    The Roman salute, on which the Hitler salute is based, was used in many different countries for many different purposes before World War II. For example, the Bellamy salute, used as part of the United States Pledge of Allegiance in the late 19th century and early 20th century, was a version of the Roman salute with some similarities to the Nazi salute. The Bellamy salute has been abandoned since 1942 because of this similarity. The same happened to most other forms of the Roman salute used across the world. In Spain, the fascist salute was kept in diminishing political use until 1975 under the dictatorship of Francisco Franco.

    Use of the salute and accompanying phrases has been forbidden by law in Germany and Austria since the end of World War II. Versions of the salute are used by neo-Nazis. One version is the so-called Kühnen salute with extended thumb, index and middle finger, also forbidden in Germany.

    The salute has been emulated in fiction since 1945, being used as a non-verbal shorthand to distinguish the villains from the heroes. As an example, the Romulans (depicted as a fascist society) in the original Star Trek television series (1966-69) use an upraised arm, palm down salute in several episodes, such as The Enterprise Incident, and the evil versions of the Enterprise crew in the "mirror universe" of the episode, Mirror, Mirror gave a modified version of this salute, first bringing their fist to their chests then extending it outward Nazi-style.


    [edit] Satirical use
    Satirical use of the salute dates back to anti-Nazi propaganda in Germany before 1933. The photomontage artist John Heartfield used Hitler's modified version, with the hand bent over the shoulder, in a poster that linked Hitler to Big Business. A giant figure representing right-wing capitalists stands behind Hitler, placing money in his hand, suggesting "backhand" donations. The caption is, "the meaning of the Hitler salute" and "Millions stand behind me".

    During the war the allies also used the salute in satirical ways, often to poke fun at the Nazis. In Charlie Chaplin's film The Great Dictator (1940) the Hitler character ("Adenoid Hynkel") several times causes chaos while attempting to use the salute.

    In the 1953 comedy-drama Stalag 17, Colonel von Scherbach, the commandant of the titular POW camp, provides a copy of Mein Kampf to the barracks, so the camp can be indoctrinated in the "ways of the Führer." While being "indoctrinated," the POWs, all wearing fake Hitler moustaches, give Sgt. Schulz the Nazi salute and shout "Sieg Heil!" Schulz then comments "One Führer is enough."

    After the war satirical usage continued, most notably in Stanley Kubrick's dark comedy Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. The eponymous character is an expatriated former-Nazi scientist with Alien Hand Syndrome, the actions of which give away his subconscious thoughts (including punching himself and giving the salute). His left arm attempts to hold it down as it uncontrollably rises. This gesture has come to be used to suggest attempts to struggle against the open expression of neo-Nazi thoughts or urges.


    The Stanford Band doing the Hitler salute to the Spirit of TroyIn modern culture the Hitler salute is sometimes used jocularly, but the humour is not always appreciated. It is often used to imply that the person being addressed is behaving like a "little Hitler" (i.e. a bully). In the United Kingdom it is common to signify the satirical nature of the salute by simultaneously placing the index finger of the left hand under one's nose as a parody of Hitler's moustache. This is portrayed in a famous episode from the comedy Fawlty Towers ("The Germans"). The words "Sieg Heil" and "Heil Hitler" are also used satirically in modern times, though they may be considered offensive. However, along with the salute, they have also been used to poke fun at Nazis, or to insinuate that someone may be acting like a dictator. The Swing Kids had a parody of the chant, "Swing Heil"".

    The border between satirical and offensive usage of the term "Sieg Heil" is not always unambiguous, and comedians using it for allegedly humorous purposes have sometimes been accused of anti-semitism (see, for instance, Dieudonné M'bala M'bala's controversial "Isra-Heil" sketch).

    The Stanford University Marching Band will give the Hitler Salute to the University of Southern California Spirit of Troy Marching Band. The Stanford Administration had not taken action against the band for this practice despite complaints from alumni and fans from both Universities.

    Use of the salute and accompanying phrases has been forbidden by law in Germany for political use since World War II. Also, in Austria, it has also been forbidden by law, albeit indirectly, by banning all racist salutes and accompanying phrases.

    The satirical use of the salute is often coupled with an exaggerated goose-step, another Nazi gesture, as seen in the 2004 film, EuroTrip.

    Another satirical reference is found in the film, Alpha Dog. Heather Wahlquist, who plays the girlfriend of a Jewish man performs the salute in front of him, saying, "Heil!".

    In the British sitcom "Allo Allo", set during WWII France, there is a different version of the salute; when a German soldier salutes the Italian counterpart, the Italian retorts with "Heil Mussolini"

    Footnotes
    ^ According to the Illustrated Exhibitor, the reconstruction of such ceremonies among the Gauls and Germans was undertaken by Augustin Thierry. Illustrated Exhibitor, 1852, vol. 1., pp.165-6
    ^ "Der Nazi-Gruß war aus der spätgermanischen Zeit hergeleitet"; Brockhaus Encyclopedia, 1989,vol. 9, p. 604
    ^ It is worth noting that the German word "Heil" included the meaning "good health" (comparable to the English word "hale"). These have disappeared from the English "hail", which now simply means "greetings", despite its original identity with the German word. One German joke from the war-era played on this identity: "Heil Hitler!" / "I can't, heal him yourself."

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    why did you create this topic?
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    Originally posted by jaffe@November 03, 2007 06:13 pm
    why did you create this topic?
    I was curious to find out where this gesture originated and i thought others might be too.
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    the sieg heil is just a normal reaction on getting a pineapple shoved up your ass by satan....

    guess the movie and win absolutely nothing!!
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    Originally posted by A-S M.@November 03, 2007 09:38 pm
    the sieg heil is just a normal reaction on getting a pineapple shoved up your ass by satan....

    guess the movie and win absolutely nothing!!
    beat you to it, dude.

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    Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+November 03, 2007 01:17 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ November 03, 2007 01:17 pm)
    jaffe
    @November 03, 2007 06:13 pm
    why did you create this topic?
    I was curious to find out where this gesture originated and i thought others might be too. [/b]
    You guessed right.
    I always knew it was at least a partial derivation from Rome, but I didn't know the specifics.
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