Why is this in theory?
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Heres my run down let me know what you think
Che-A legend but his book is very limited and so was his vision.
Mao-ripped of Sun Tzu, read art of war instead
Abraham Guillen- Genius, combines strategy, tactics and politics in his work. maybe the most intellectual of all guerrilla theorist.
Carlos Mariaghella- a nice complement to Guillen
P.S. I WANT A ZAPATISTA TRAINING MANUAL!!!!!!!!! ;!!!! and copies of Le Cognée
Why is this in theory?
It goes one for the student who refuses to submit and two for the teacher who is under-paid as shit, and three for the strikes who give young bloods life and four for the years you spent stifled inside.
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Moved to Chit-Chat.
Moved
It goes one for the student who refuses to submit and two for the teacher who is under-paid as shit, and three for the strikes who give young bloods life and four for the years you spent stifled inside.
Infoshop
i think i need to figure out the sub catagories better
Do you mean the current Zapatistas? because when I was volunteering for them in Chiapas I found that they actually use the "British Army Training Manual" (1980s edition) or a text largely based on that, I think it has some extracts from US marine manuals aswell.
I am talking about the EZLN, not the Zapatistas, because that term includes civilians.
You can get (some of) one here for £14
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
Not exatly true. He learned more from the Romance of Three Kingdoms, a 15th century novel than from Sun Tzu's art of war.
Do not say that we have nothing,
We shall be masters of all under heaven!
yah but reading his manuals, i was continuously reminded of the art of war and mao seemed to quote it almost verbatim at points. i guess in general im not a big fan of maoism
thank you soo much for the info. i did mean the ELZN and am aware of the difference. although i am curious what zapata read... and these manuals were in english?
i attended a zapatista language school two summers back that was supposed to be in oventic, but because of the alerta roja was in san cris. where, if it is not top secret did you work and in what capacity?
thanks again
Why was this moved to Chit Chat? Guerrilla/military theory is theory.
"Getting a job, finding a mate, having a place to live, finding a creative outlet. Life is a war of attrition. You have to stay active on all fronts. It's one thing after another. I've tried to control a chaotic universe. And it's a losing battle. But I can't let go. I've tried, but I can't." - Harvey Pekar
No idea what Zapata himslef actually read. Presumably Mexican or American training manuals from the early 1900s? They wont be relevant today though.
Well I was on patrols in the forests not too far from san cris (beautiful city)- wont say more than that.
In Zapatista territory I have been to Oventic, La Morelia, San Adreas, La Realidad and wherever our camp was.
I've also been to San Cristobal, and Tuxla. Both nice places. In Mexico city I slept in Zapatas old millitary Kitchen.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
thats what i was wondering because thats where i first put it. i guess it was indepth...
sounds pretty sweet, i wasn't a big fan of tuxtla though. did you perchance know a language teacher in oventic named efrain?
Useless.
Luís Henrique
The world is not as it is, but as it is constructed.
Falsely attributed to Lenin
how so?
Good luck in Vermont ^^
thank you. give me 5 years to train and then i will assess the situation and act accordingly
Urban guerrilla is a strategic impossibility. Cities are the stronghold of States, you cannot defy them to a territorial fight there. It is utterly impossible to hold liberated areas within cities, which means an "urban guerrilla" is condemned to clandestinity from the start. And as such, they quickly degenerate into sheer terrorism, unless they are defeated and destroyed first.
But I could give you a better answer. What has the Brazilian left achieved by using Marighella's militarist tactics? Nothing, or less than nothing. That's how this useless "theory" is useless: by having absolutely no use in reality.
Luís Henrique
The world is not as it is, but as it is constructed.
Falsely attributed to Lenin
Urban guerrilla is a strategic impossibility. Cities are the stronghold of States, you cannot defy them to a territorial fight there. It is utterly impossible to hold liberated areas within cities, which means an "urban guerrilla" is condemned to clandestinity from the start. And as such, they quickly degenerate into sheer terrorism, unless they are defeated and destroyed first.
But I could give you a better answer. What has the Brazilian left achieved by using Marighella's militarist tactics? Nothing, or less than nothing. That's how this useless "theory" is useless: by having absolutely no use in reality.
Luís Henrique [/quote]
what about the algerian revolutions? urban guerrilla movements are different in their strategy and objectives than rural guerrilla movements, so it is a different model of success. urban guerrilla movement apply political pressure, not seek to take power. as for Mariaghella, he was read for out side of brazil and had an impact on all the urban guerrilla movement in south america in the 60s and 70s
Political pressure you apply through mass struggle, not through individual terrorism. In Algeria, the point wasn't a socialist revolution, but an anti-colonial struggle. So mass struggle was granted.
Which achieved exactly the same as the Brazilian militarist left: nothing at all.
It is a loss of time, something that has nothing to do with our struggle, and can only led to either ridicule or tragedy.
Luís Henrique
The world is not as it is, but as it is constructed.
Falsely attributed to Lenin
So instead Luís is involved in mass movements that negate armed struggle. Achievements? About as many as those of the urban guerrillas of the 60s and 70s.
