We fucked the BNP

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by bubbles81@October 27, 2007 08:42 am
Ok - concentrate on opposing a group of incompetents which staggers from crisis to crisis - split by internal divisions and shedding activists like confetti whilst Labour quietly erodes our rights to assembly, our rights to protest, and our ability to change the system. I know where our real enemies are.

its not about concentrating- its about fighting the war on 2 fronts. Its no good fighting an effective war against the capitalists if we allow the fascists to sneak through the back.

[spartan]

Perhaps the 81 in bubbles81's username stands for Homosexual Aryan?

That combined with the bubbles says to me that you are trying to tell us something no?

[Zurdito]

Originally posted by bubbles81@October 27, 2007 08:42 am
Ok - concentrate on opposing a group of incompetents which staggers from crisis to crisis - split by internal divisions and shedding activists like confetti whilst Labour quietly erodes our rights to assembly, our rights to protest, and our ability to change the system. I know where our real enemies are.

The BNP see us as their enemies and they concentrate a lot of their time targetting marxists. What are we supposed to do with people who openly boast that they'd put us up against walls and shoot us; should we not step on their necks just because they happen to be lying on the floor?

[bubbles81]

OK, the difference in ideology between Marxists and the BNP is lost on most people, but whilst they waste time and energy fighting each other the State can quietly get on with its agenda of subjugating us all and making it impossible to rectify its legislation in the future. However there is light at the end of the tunnel. Things will eventually get so bad with a breakdown in infrastructure due to government's failure to expand it to accommodate the influx of immigrants expected over the next decades. Anarchy will result. It's time to start preparation for that event. Who will the people turn to when the established parties have failed them?

[spartan]

Who will the people turn to when the established parties have failed them?

We will probably have a similar situation as Germany in the 1920's where the majority of people will be split bewtween far left and far right parties.

The movement with the most influence and the most members will probably win so lets get down to the task of making effective propaganda!

[Zurdito]

OK, the difference in ideology between Marxists and the BNP is lost on most people

can you explain that please as I haven't found this at all. When I go leafletting people don't usually treat me as if I was the BNP.

[Patchd]

Well I just finished reading the whole topic and...lol! Ooh, and nice one to all the Antifa up in Nottingham.

And bubbles81, I'm not accusing you of being a fash, seriously (not until there is enough evidence), but there was a BNP guy I talked to who claimed that he wasn't fascistic in any way, and in fact the real fascists was New Labour "who have been eroding away our civil liberties". Basically saying the same as you are, except in this instance, there is an attempt to divert attention from the BNP to another scapegoat.

Anarchy will result.

What type of "anarchy"? Oh, and may I ask, what kind of a revolutionary leftist are you?

[bubbles81]

Zurdito – perhaps I should rephrase that comment. Most people have been conditioned by decades of negative media stereotyping to view both ends of the political spectrum with equal suspicion. Being used to the blandness of mainstream politics they are fazed by the intensity of a perspective which seems to them to be extreme. Maybe they don’t confuse you with the BNP but tar you with the same brush. But what can you expect from people who vote out one party only to replace it with the one they were encouraged to vote out a few years ago?

Palachinv – not fash, not red, just impartial that’s me.
Your BNP guy seems well informed, but probably doesn’t get his info from the same source that I do. I am related by marriage to a local Labour bigwig who is an unwitting source of insight into the party’s agenda.
For instance, when they came into power he gloated, “Thatcher got the miners, we’ll get the farmers.” Well they certainly seem to be doing that, one way or the other.
Other hints he has dropped concern the bringing in of legislation – under the guise of prevention of terrorism – to curtail the ability of anyone to interfere with or even protest against anything they decide to do.
I’m not urging anyone to drop action against the BNP and go after Labour, but as my relative has revealed, contingency plans are in place to ensure the BNP never gets an MP elected. You may be glad to hear this, but don’t forget, what can be done to the BNP can also be done to anyone else.

Ignore my point of view if you will, but consider this. Next time you go out to “bash the fash” don’t think for one moment that the local populace will see you as knights in shining armour saving them from the nasty Nazis. What they will see is two groups of thugs fighting each other. A sort of political equivalent of drugs turf wars. Doesn’t do you any favours but keeps alive the spectre of extremism.

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by bubbles81@October 30, 2007 01:03 pm
Zurdito – perhaps I should rephrase that comment. Most people have been conditioned by decades of negative media stereotyping to view both ends of the political spectrum with equal suspicion. Being used to the blandness of mainstream politics they are fazed by the intensity of a perspective which seems to them to be extreme. Maybe they don’t confuse you with the BNP but tar you with the same brush. But what can you expect from people who vote out one party only to replace it with the one they were encouraged to vote out a few years ago?

Palachinv – not fash, not red, just impartial that’s me.
Your BNP guy seems well informed, but probably doesn’t get his info from the same source that I do. I am related by marriage to a local Labour bigwig who is an unwitting source of insight into the party’s agenda.
For instance, when they came into power he gloated, “Thatcher got the miners, we’ll get the farmers.” Well they certainly seem to be doing that, one way or the other.
Other hints he has dropped concern the bringing in of legislation – under the guise of prevention of terrorism – to curtail the ability of anyone to interfere with or even protest against anything they decide to do.
I’m not urging anyone to drop action against the BNP and go after Labour, but as my relative has revealed, contingency plans are in place to ensure the BNP never gets an MP elected. You may be glad to hear this, but don’t forget, what can be done to the BNP can also be done to anyone else.

Ignore my point of view if you will, but consider this. Next time you go out to “bash the fash” don’t think for one moment that the local populace will see you as knights in shining armour saving them from the nasty Nazis. What they will see is two groups of thugs fighting each other. A sort of political equivalent of drugs turf wars. Doesn’t do you any favours but keeps alive the spectre of extremism.

Smashng the "fash" has nothing to do with popularity.

Its a tactical approach against the organizational efforts of the fascists. if they are unable to organize, they are unable to have a plataform, and therefore they become ineffective. Smashing them also entails frightening them and having second thoughts about participating in such organization.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Marmot+November 01, 2007 04:44 am--> (Marmot @ November 01, 2007 04:44 am)

bubbles81

@October 30, 2007 01:03 pm
Zurdito – perhaps I should rephrase that comment. Most people have been conditioned by decades of negative media stereotyping to view both ends of the political spectrum with equal suspicion. Being used to the blandness of mainstream politics they are fazed by the intensity of a perspective which seems to them to be extreme. Maybe they don’t confuse you with the BNP but tar you with the same brush. But what can you expect from people who vote out one party only to replace it with the one they were encouraged to vote out a few years ago?

Palachinv – not fash, not red, just impartial that’s me.
Your BNP guy seems well informed, but probably doesn’t get his info from the same source that I do. I am related by marriage to a local Labour bigwig who is an unwitting source of insight into the party’s agenda.
For instance, when they came into power he gloated, “Thatcher got the miners, we’ll get the farmers.” Well they certainly seem to be doing that, one way or the other.
Other hints he has dropped concern the bringing in of legislation – under the guise of prevention of terrorism – to curtail the ability of anyone to interfere with or even protest against anything they decide to do.
I’m not urging anyone to drop action against the BNP and go after Labour, but as my relative has revealed, contingency plans are in place to ensure the BNP never gets an MP elected. You may be glad to hear this, but don’t forget, what can be done to the BNP can also be done to anyone else.

Ignore my point of view if you will, but consider this. Next time you go out to “bash the fash” don’t think for one moment that the local populace will see you as knights in shining armour saving them from the nasty Nazis. What they will see is two groups of thugs fighting each other. A sort of political equivalent of drugs turf wars. Doesn’t do you any favours but keeps alive the spectre of extremism.

Smashng the "fash" has nothing to do with popularity.

Its a tactical approach against the organizational efforts of the fascists. if they are unable to organize, they are unable to have a plataform, and therefore they become ineffective. Smashing them also entails frightening them and having second thoughts about participating in such organization. [/b]

What happened in Michigan?

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+November 01, 2007 11:52 am--> (The Anarchist Tension @ November 01, 2007 11:52 am)

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 04:44 am

bubbles81

@October 30, 2007 01:03 pm
Zurdito – perhaps I should rephrase that comment. Most people have been conditioned by decades of negative media stereotyping to view both ends of the political spectrum with equal suspicion. Being used to the blandness of mainstream politics they are fazed by the intensity of a perspective which seems to them to be extreme. Maybe they don’t confuse you with the BNP but tar you with the same brush. But what can you expect from people who vote out one party only to replace it with the one they were encouraged to vote out a few years ago?

Palachinv – not fash, not red, just impartial that’s me.
Your BNP guy seems well informed, but probably doesn’t get his info from the same source that I do. I am related by marriage to a local Labour bigwig who is an unwitting source of insight into the party’s agenda.
For instance, when they came into power he gloated, “Thatcher got the miners, we’ll get the farmers.” Well they certainly seem to be doing that, one way or the other.
Other hints he has dropped concern the bringing in of legislation – under the guise of prevention of terrorism – to curtail the ability of anyone to interfere with or even protest against anything they decide to do.
I’m not urging anyone to drop action against the BNP and go after Labour, but as my relative has revealed, contingency plans are in place to ensure the BNP never gets an MP elected. You may be glad to hear this, but don’t forget, what can be done to the BNP can also be done to anyone else.

Ignore my point of view if you will, but consider this. Next time you go out to “bash the fash” don’t think for one moment that the local populace will see you as knights in shining armour saving them from the nasty Nazis. What they will see is two groups of thugs fighting each other. A sort of political equivalent of drugs turf wars. Doesn’t do you any favours but keeps alive the spectre of extremism.

Smashng the "fash" has nothing to do with popularity.

Its a tactical approach against the organizational efforts of the fascists. if they are unable to organize, they are unable to have a plataform, and therefore they become ineffective. Smashing them also entails frightening them and having second thoughts about participating in such organization.

What happened in Michigan? [/b]

http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=72358

[SocialistGenius]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+October 21, 2007 09:07 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ October 21, 2007 09:07 pm)

reddog22

@October 21, 2007 10:06 pm
ONE LAST INSULT TO THE GREAT UNWASHED BEFORE I GO AND WATCH THE SAPRANOS . GO AND FUCK YA SELFS

NO MERCY FOR USE
ON THE DAY OF VICTORY!!!!!! BNP!!!! BNP!!!!!

Terrible taste in television as well as politics? I pity you, I really do [/b]

Hey now. The Sa..Sopranos is an entertaining show.