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    Originally posted by A Suvorov+September 27, 2007 08:00 pm--> (A Suvorov @ September 27, 2007 08:00 pm)Rule of law, rule of law, rule of law[/b]

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    OK...you asked for it, brothers. OK, we going to talk about law and order versus justice in America, then. You see, Lyndon Johnson can always sit up and talk about...he can always raise an argument about law and order, because he never talks about justice. But black people fall for that same argument, and they go around talking about law breakers. We did not make the laws in this country. We are neither morally nor legally confined to those laws. Those laws that keep them up, keep us down. We got to begin to understand that. [applause] See, justice is a joke in this country, and it stinks of its hypocricy.
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    Originally posted by black coffee black metal+October 03, 2007 02:51 pm--> (black coffee black metal @ October 03, 2007 02:51 pm)
    Originally posted by A Suvorov@September 27, 2007 08:00 pm
    Rule of law, rule of law, rule of law
    H Rap Brown
    OK...you asked for it, brothers. OK, we going to talk about law and order versus justice in America, then. You see, Lyndon Johnson can always sit up and talk about...he can always raise an argument about law and order, because he never talks about justice. But black people fall for that same argument, and they go around talking about law breakers. We did not make the laws in this country. We are neither morally nor legally confined to those laws. Those laws that keep them up, keep us down. We got to begin to understand that. [applause] See, justice is a joke in this country, and it stinks of its hypocricy.
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    That's what it comes down to. The laws were created by the oppressors to legitamize their rule over the oppressed. It's not about justice, it is about class dictatorship.
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    Originally posted by A Suvorov@October 02, 2007 12:41 am
    we could take a lesson from the early National Socialists
    Am I the only person that noticed that this guy fucking just referenced the fucking NAZI PARTY?!!!
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    Originally posted by black coffee black metal+October 03, 2007 03:51 am--> (black coffee black metal @ October 03, 2007 03:51 am)
    Originally posted by A Suvorov@September 27, 2007 08:00 pm
    Rule of law, rule of law, rule of law
    H Rap Brown
    OK...you asked for it, brothers. OK, we going to talk about law and order versus justice in America, then. You see, Lyndon Johnson can always sit up and talk about...he can always raise an argument about law and order, because he never talks about justice. But black people fall for that same argument, and they go around talking about law breakers. We did not make the laws in this country. We are neither morally nor legally confined to those laws. Those laws that keep them up, keep us down. We got to begin to understand that. [applause] See, justice is a joke in this country, and it stinks of its hypocricy.
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    I love H Rap Brown, Stokely Charmichael, Bobby Seale, Huey P Newton,etc. They spoke raw truth. They were able to convey abstract ideas in a way that normal people, working people can understand. I think this is something that alot of leftists have lost. Some people think the more jargon you use, the better. I think the opposite.
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    Originally posted by blackstone+October 04, 2007 07:31 am--> (blackstone @ October 04, 2007 07:31 am)
    Originally posted by black coffee black metal+October 03, 2007 03:51 am--> (black coffee black metal @ October 03, 2007 03:51 am)
    A Suvorov
    @September 27, 2007 08:00 pm
    Rule of law, rule of law, rule of law
    H Rap Brown
    OK...you asked for it, brothers. OK, we going to talk about law and order versus justice in America, then. You see, Lyndon Johnson can always sit up and talk about...he can always raise an argument about law and order, because he never talks about justice. But black people fall for that same argument, and they go around talking about law breakers. We did not make the laws in this country. We are neither morally nor legally confined to those laws. Those laws that keep them up, keep us down. We got to begin to understand that. [applause] See, justice is a joke in this country, and it stinks of its hypocricy.
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    I love H Rap Brown, Stokely Charmichael, Bobby Seale, Huey P Newton,etc. They spoke raw truth. They were able to convey abstract ideas in a way that normal people, working people can understand. I think this is something that alot of leftists have lost. Some people think the more jargon you use, the better. I think the opposite. [/b]
    They were decent, but certainly not flawless. In the same speech, H Rap Brown denies the idea of class differences among black Americans.
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    Originally posted by A Suvorov@September 26, 2007 11:05 pm
    Re: 'How is a shoe a deadly weapon?'- it becomes a deadly weapon the minute it is applied forcefully and repeatedly to someone's head, especially when the victim is already unconcious and quite unable to defend himself, THAT'S WHEN. I can't believe you even tried that argument.
    a. AK-47.
    b. Machete.
    c. Tennis Shoe.
    d. Rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

    'One of these things is not like the others...'

    Perhaps if you were so fond of the "rule of law" - which tends to be overrated; hitler had it, the resistance didn't - perhaps you would begin to advocate that, quite possibly, a person should have to be armed before being prosecuted for a charge which requires armed assault. I very much promise you, one of the things in the list above is quite drastically unlike the rest, no?

    Then again, I'm guessing you don't give a fuck about the rule of law. This would be perfectly fine, were you not concurrently arguing for the arbitrary rule of a nation-state completely unchecked by law or procedure, and in this case, very white-supremacist.
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    Originally posted by Red Heretic+October 04, 2007 06:07 am--> (Red Heretic @ October 04, 2007 06:07 am)
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    @October 02, 2007 12:41 am
    we could take a lesson from the early National Socialists
    Am I the only person that noticed that this guy fucking just referenced the fucking NAZI PARTY?!!![/b]
    Yes, I referenced them and I invite you to re-examine the CONTEXT in which I did so. Okay, so nobody likes the National Socialists for what they did- fair enough, of course. BUT, in viewing the National Socialist movement as a PROCESS of political activism one cannot deny they were possibly the single most effective party ever seen. I am in no way advocating or acting as an apologist for their end-game methods re: ethnic cleaning, but rather in the sense of studying just HOW they came to power, not necessarily what they DID when they got there. If, for instance, they DIDN'T go about removing the Jews from Europe or wherever in such a manner and DIDN'T have a puported plan for their destruction, what then? If they had gone about their plan in a more practical, humane, and carefully measured manner perhaps they'd have survived to this day, and without being demonized as they are now. Of course, we all know that DIDN'T happen, and they get what they deserved. And remember, National Socialism AS A POLITICAL SYSTEM isn't all that different from many modern nations' systems- the only real difference is their addition of the racial factor that sets them apart. Study their organization, their goals and how they integrated those into their everyday planning, their internal processes- THAT is where one will find how to create and run a successful political machine. Dont' think for one minute their lessons have been lost on modern politicians- oh no- the National Socialists' methods and organization are studied inside and out by politicians the world over as a model to emulate in their own quest for power.

    After all, for most practical purposes there was very little difference between the PRACTICE of National Socialism in Germany and 'Stalinism' in the USSR in those days- the only palpable difference was the ideology that drove the political machine. Germany put race bfore everything, the USSR put the state before all else. Mix-n-match ideologies, in the end.

    No, what I was referring to, and apparently most others 'got it' is that we need to get off our asses and get our act together- if it means studying the methods and history of other 'not Left' groups, then so be it. One can't study military history without taking both sides situations into account- so much more so than the struggle we purport to engage in.

    The fact of the matter is that if the Left doesn't come up with a coherent plan we as a group are going to be truly 'left' in the cold when the REAL revolution happens- if we're not ready for it, we might as well be watching Spongebob instead of talking, talking, talking here for no discernable end.
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    Mychal Bell back in Jail&#33;

    A judge ordered a black teenager back to jail, deciding the fight that put him in the national spotlight violated terms of his probation for a previous conviction, his attorney said.

    Mychal Bell, who along with five other black teenagers in the so-called Jena Six case is accused of beating a white classmate, had gone to juvenile court in Jena on Thursday expecting another routine hearing, said Carol Powell Lexing, one of his attorneys.

    Instead, state District Judge J.P. Mauffrey Jr. sentenced Bell to 18 months in jail on two counts of simple battery and two counts of criminal destruction of property, Lexing said.

    "We are definitely going to appeal this," she said. "We&#39;ll continue to fight."

    Bell had been hit with those charges before the Dec. 4 attack on classmate Justin Barker. Details on the previous charges, which were handled in juvenile court, were unclear.

    Mauffrey, reached at his home Thursday night, had no comment.

    "He&#39;s locked up again," Marcus Jones said of his 17-year-old son. "No bail has been set or nothing. He&#39;s a young man who&#39;s been thrown in jail again and again, and he just has to take it."

    After the attack on Barker, Bell was originally charged with attempted murder, but the charges were reduced and he was convicted of battery. An appeals court threw that conviction out, saying Bell should not have been tried as an adult on that charge.

    Racial tensions began rising in August 2006 in Jena after a black student sat under a tree known as a gathering spot for white students. Three white students later hung nooses from the tree. They were suspended but not prosecuted.

    More than 20,000 demonstrators gathered last month in the small central Louisiana town to protest what they perceive as differences in how black and white suspects are treated. The case has drawn the attention of civil rights activists including the Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

    Sharpton reacted swiftly upon learning Bell was back in jail Thursday.

    "We feel this was a cruel and unusual punishment and is a revenge by this judge for the Jena Six movement," said Sharpton, who helped organize the protest held Sept. 20, the day Bell was originally supposed to be sentenced.

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