I think they are unsure what "causes" this "disease" to hear some people talk, I think it relates to Hormone Levels in the Womb.
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I am not sure whether this is supposed to be in here, but nay mind...I am gay, I have been for as long as I can remember, i mean I have never fancied women. So what I want to know is, what causes people to be attracted to the same sex. Is it genetic? social conditions? Could it be a medical defect? Could it be cured? What do people think.
I think they are unsure what "causes" this "disease" to hear some people talk, I think it relates to Hormone Levels in the Womb.
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The topic really belongs in the new Science & Nature Forum which we will soon have.
Meanwhile, I'll leave it here.
And I suspect it's genetic.
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I think it has to do with ones upbringing.
I doubt its any individual of the above, I would imagine that it is a combernation of all of the factors listed by Libertarian Commie, with the exception of medical defect. I also doubt it could be "cured", and I doubt anybody would want to "cure" it, unless they were some reactionary fool with a foolish agenda against gay people. You may as well try and "cure" people from having blond hair etc.
I would imagine that it is a combernation of upbringing, genetics and current enviroment. I doubt any one individual "cause" is soley the reason for homosexuality. For example most people who have a doting mother and attend a single sex school are not gay. As for genetics, I am sure that not all people who are gay share any genetic coding which hetrosexual people do not have and viseversa.
(Edited by AK47 at 12:23 am on July 28, 2003)
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I think it relates to hormone levels in the womb, most gender related things do.
Up bringing may also have a small impact. But like inteligence, most pyschologists don't agree to what level environment and biology cause either.
arent we all female in the womb, then become male, i thought male gays got the genitals, but mentally they were women?
i dunno why your bothered, u got the trendiest clubs and bars, and its trendy to be gay. I'll probably get a gay haircut to get some nookie on holiday
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I think everyone has tendencies towards men and women sexually. I am bisexual, though I like women a lot more, and I think everyone is bisexual (whether it is noticable or not). I like the id, ego, and superego explanation.
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someone get the lunatic freudian out here...now!!
just kidding, comrade.
and no, we are not all female in the womb, that is a huge missconception.
(Edited by Victorcommie at 8:35 pm on July 27, 2003)
I think you're pretty spot on there.
Here is an excellent FAQ about sexual orientation and homosexuality.
Could it be a medical defect? Could it be cured?
Ugh, what an awful thing to say! Not to give you shit. I'm not saying you're an awful guy. But Jeez, give yourself a break, brah!
If you're gay, you're gay. Don't give in an inch to the backwards-thinking that it could be possible (or should be) to cure it. Fuck that shit.
You're gay. I'm not. *high-five*
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I was under the impression that it was completely genetic, and when you're born, you're either gay or not. But I can accept that enviroment and society has a lot to do with it. I feel really bad for the bisexuals, just caught in the middle of a freak show (not meant offensively) of harassment and dogmatic bullshit. I've met a few gay people and they've all been really normal and very cool.
Did you all hear about the protestors during the gay pride parade in San Francisco? Called Gay Shame, they're gays that are protesting the corporate sponsership of the gay pride parade and criticizing the parade for not addressing real problems, like gay homelessness. http://sf.indymedia.org
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Having read what people have put I think I agree with the hormone levels theory. It seems the most logical explantion.
However, Since no one actually knows what causes homosexuality, I dont think sujesting that homosexuality could be cured or is a medical defect an awful thing to say at all. I agree, for someone to blantantly say that gay people are deformed and should be cured is a reactionary "backward thinking" oppinion to have. But until it has actually been proved, it is stupid to dismiss a theory because it is an oppion which is reactionary.
Another reason why I bring up this particular point, is because if it is curable, this poses a big question to gay peope. I personally do not think that given the choice I would change. I enjoy having sex with men. but on the other said, the ability to procreate in a conventional way is something I would like to do. Adopting is all fine and well, but creating your own baby is something that every human should do, but in a relationship with another man, the creation of a baby would be one sided. It would not be a joint effort (the creating part) with someone you where in love with...
and what does your gay, im not, high five actually mean?
Hormone levels in the womb is not really a substantial argument for facilitating homosexuality as men and women possess both estrogen and testosterone in in various amounts. Hormones may affect the appearence of an individual but really have no control over the sexual orientation of an individual.
Science has yet to find the actual "reason" for sexual orientation. Ass the human genome has been mapped in it's entirety and no specific "gene" has been found to control sexual preference it is still a mystery. Some would argue that it's "an extra chromosome" however it has been found that homosexuals are as normal as anyone genetically.
Through observation it can easily be assessed that environmental factors play a very limited role in the developement of sexual preference within homosexuals. Leading us to believe that it's definitely genetic. How or why this is has yet to be determined. I'm personally from the school of "who cares who you bang" as it is has no direct connections with "moral fibre" or intelligence as the right wing would like to believe.
It's a mystery that has no relevance to anything worthwile as anyone who judges a person on whom they actually enjoy shagging is quite simply an oaf that is not worth the cost of the ammunition I will use to send them to the cemetary.
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It should be noted that other species also have same-sex sex. Whether they have variations in individual preference, I don't know.
Seems to me, though, that while the different forms of sexual activity may be natural, the categories homosexual, heterosexual, etc., are socially constructed, and relatively recently in history at that.
I doubt it's genetic. if it was genetic there would be families with multiple gay members and others with no gay members. It's more likely that everyone is bisexual but by nature and nurture (read nature through nurture) people are more likely to accept their bisexuality, or simply not be attracted to anyone of the same/opposite sex and be either homosexual or heterosexual.
And I get pretty pissed off with my brother saying "My problem with that gay Bishop isn't that he's gay, it's that he hasn't repented" and it's like, IF YOUR NATURAL INSTINCT IS TO HAVE SEX WITH PEOPLE OF THE SAME SEX THEN IT CAN'T BE A SIN, GOD DOESN'T CREATE PEOPLE TO SIN.
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Just tell girls you're a member of the Labour Party, that ought to get them going.Quote: from TavareeshKamo on 12:43 am on July 28, 2003
arent we all female in the womb, then become male, i thought male gays got the genitals, but mentally they were women?
i dunno why your bothered, u got the trendiest clubs and bars, and its trendy to be gay. I'll probably get a gay haircut to get some nookie on holiday
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You're right about god not creating people
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The theory with genetics, is that it is a genetic mutation. A little switch up with a few nucleotides, somewhere. So, genetically speaking, homosexuals and bisexuals are mutated. Or many heterosexuals are the real mutants, and the few homosexuals are the last of a dying strain of a super-class of humans. Whatever.
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Could it be a medical defect? Could it be cured?
I agree with AK, that it is an awful thing to say. Are you suggesting that homosexuality is some kind of disease that needs a cure? Do you think that heterosexuality is normal and that bisexuals and homosexuals are in need of correction? I am not sure why people are attracted to the same sex, it is probably the combination of a number of factors, but I doubt that it is something that needs to be "cured".
"Heterosexuality is not normal, it is just common" - the (international) noise conspiracy
