I think most people on Revleft are aware of this (or should be).
The above person would be a "bonehead" :P
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I'm sick and tired of bullshit generalizations that label Skinheads as Nazis, Racists, Fascists, etc.
Sure, there are assholes like this:
But in origin, the Skinhead movement was a working-class subculture that was hand in hand with Left-Wing poltitics.
I will not deny that there are Skinheads like the Nazi fuck above, but they aren't really skinheads. I see a pattern.
Hitler uses "Nation Socialist" to label his views, to appeal to the working class.
Neo-Nazis use Skinhead, a working-class movement.
This link, the wikipedia article on Skins, is the most accurate description to be found, so far.
I call myself a Skinhead because I do dress like this:
Though I don't have a shaved head (I have a mohawk though, shaved sides, so kinda). But it's not the look. It's the working class attitude and the militant beliefs.
Even people on revleft call neo-nazis Skinheads. STOP!!!
I think most people on Revleft are aware of this (or should be).
The above person would be a "bonehead" :P
I've been thinking of making a thread about this for a long time. If it wasn't for Jamaica, the skinhead culture wouldn't even exist, so to think that it is inherently racist is stupid.
P.S. I would also like to add that that guy's tattoos are incredibly ugly and stupid looking.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
Shit, that's great. I'll start calling them boneheads now.
I was looking for a word for them before, and I just rmember the appropriate word was Hammerskin...
Yeah, Skins, at first, listened to Ska and Rocksteady. I listen to some, though I'm more of a StreetPunk type.
I know...who the fuck tatoos their face?
I'm more of a hardcore fan myself. Tattoos on the face are pretty bad even when there are only a few, but that is just fucking horrendous.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
more and more people are realising now that the skinhead sub culture was originally a working class multicultural movement whos aim was to bring together young british whites and immigrant black jamaicans. unfortunately it was hijacked by the racists such as the band skrewdriver in the late 70's and early 80's. i personally love the skinhead sub culture. oh and another name for a left wing skinhead is REDSKIN.
"No references to the need to fight terror can be an argument for restricting human rights." Vladimir Putin
"The strengthening of our statehood is, at times, deliberately interpreted as authoritarianism." Vladimir Putin
"We shall fight against them, throw them in prisons and destroy them." Vladimir Putin
I don't really see how their not Skinheads. Just cause you don't like them doesn't mean they're not skinheads. Hitler is demonstrably not a socialist, but WP skinheads are definitionally a subculture of the skinhead subculture.
Did you hear about the rose that grew from a crack in the concrete?
Proving nature's law is wrong it learned to walk with out having feet.
Funny it seems, but by keeping its dreams, it learned to breathe fresh air.
Long live the rose that grew from concrete when no one else ever cared.
i think what Black Flag Rising meant was the overwhelming mainstream media negativity to this sub culture which to the mainstream media is synonymous with the racist white power thing and the fact that they dont bother to tell the real history of the sub culture which was a working class multicultural movement aimed at bringing together young british whites and immigrant jamaican blacks.
"No references to the need to fight terror can be an argument for restricting human rights." Vladimir Putin
"The strengthening of our statehood is, at times, deliberately interpreted as authoritarianism." Vladimir Putin
"We shall fight against them, throw them in prisons and destroy them." Vladimir Putin
The first skins were actually so called "hard-mods", they appeared when the mainstream mods became hippie-influenced "peacock mods" around 1965. The hard-mods instead placed further focuse on working class atttributes and their motto "Clean living under hard circumstances". Hardmods/Original skinheads (hardmods became more known as "skinheads" around -68) were also very influenced by jamaican Rude Boy-culture.
They listened to traditional mod music such as Soul (particulary Northern Soul), modern jazz, ska, rocksteady, blues, rock/pop band such as the Kinks, the Who, The Small Faces and The Yardbirds.
The original skinheads were never a very large movement and descended during the 70-ties. In 1977 came punk-music and Ska-revival (2-tone) and skinhead-culture gained a huge revival. Around 1984 boneheads became more and more common and this had a huge and negative effect on the skinhead movement. Still, ~10 years after the death of large-scale bonhead culture, many believe skinheads and boneheads to be the same thing. In media nazis are often described as "skinheads" even if they're not even boneheads! But most of the younger population now realize the difference between a skinhead and a bonehead, and I think that almost everyone here do so.
if you watch the movie 'this is england' it shows you how the fash stole the skinhead identity from the carribean movement. A comrade posted the dailymotion link to it a while back, here is the relevant thread-
http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=66053
Actually, that's inaccurate. The defining characteristic of Skinhead "culture" is working class, left wing beliefs. This completely contrasts to Nazism. Because they lack the entire idea of the movement, they can't be called skinheads. It's not really about the look, the boots, or the shaved head. They jsut wear shit like that to look proletarian, to represent the working class.
Exactly, if you call them anything Skinhead, call them Hammerskins or Pseduo-Skins.
This is cool because there's a football team called the redskins and there was a scene called Football Hooligans that consisted mainly of skinheads.
Anyone remember the SWP band - the Redskins (almost really good)
Look at any old film of a Madness concert and you get a good idea of the skinhead culture if you look at the audience. Hi energy 12 year old skins.
But the fascist thing was not as late as 84, it was already happening by about 1980
"Dixi et salvavi animam meam" - quoted by Marx
"Things rarely work out well if one aims at 'moderation'..." - Engels
"By and by we heare newes of shipwrack in the same place, then we are too blame if we accept it not for a Rock." Sir Philip Sydney
"The most to be hoped for by groups who claim to belong to the Marxist succession (...) is for them to serve as a hyphen between past and future....nothing can be held sacred – everything is called into question. Only after having been put through such a crucible could socialism conceivably re-emerge as a viable doctrine and plan of action." - Van Heijenoort
I think the skinhead subculture, no matter what ideology it endorses, is really ugly and hedonist, focusing on partying, beer and clothes, like any other subculture but worse.
if it brought people from different ethnicities together for the intrests of the working class like its original purpose then who cares! also if someone wants to party and drink and wear distinctive clothing what right have we to stop them?
WHERE THERE IS AUTHORITY THERE IS NO FREEDOM!
"No references to the need to fight terror can be an argument for restricting human rights." Vladimir Putin
"The strengthening of our statehood is, at times, deliberately interpreted as authoritarianism." Vladimir Putin
"We shall fight against them, throw them in prisons and destroy them." Vladimir Putin
Right on, I suppose.
The original skinheads were adolescents and wanted to shake things up a bit. Skinheads are completely militant on their beliefs. It's kind of a generalization to say they drink alot of beer and party all the time, a little. Though most do...
without authority will there be someone to reprimand people for having fascist beliefs? I think even in a post revolutionary situation, there will be some form of 'thin blue line' or 'thin red line' as the case may be.
No, I'm sorry, you're wrong.
I agree with you completely that it's an absolute travesty for the media or anyone else who lacks any real experience with skinhead culture and its history to try and paint all skinheads as White Supremacists, Christian Identity followers, Neo-Nazis, or Klansmen, or whatever else they try to do, but to say that they're not skinheads just because you don't like them is silly.
The defining characteristic of a skinhead is not "left wing beliefs" despite your wishful thinking. By this definition, I and everyone else on this forum would be considered a skinhead -- and skins who are apolitical (a lot of tradskins, for instance) wouldn't be. Skinhead culture encompasses a vast range of traits and characteristics, including stylistic ways of dressing, attitudes, music, etc.
"Working class beliefs" is certainly included in this, but that's an extraordinarily vague term. HIstorically, facism, and racism have been "working class ideas" and have had an unfortunate appeal to segments of the working class looking for a scapegoat for their problems ever since the working class as we know it existed, and then some. I'd even go so far as to wager to say that most hammerskins are from working class backgrounds.
WP skinheads share a history with other branches of skinheads, they share similar tastes in clothing and fashion, music, and the list goes on. They are, functionally, skinheads.
You can't just redraw a few borders in the definition here and there and define them out of existence.
The first step in taking down any enemy is to be honest to yourself about who they are.
The fuck are you on about?
Define: "ugly", "hedonistic", and "skinhead subculture" (all very subjective and wide terms open to interpretation),
and prove:
A) That "skinhead culture" is "ugly",
B) That "skinhead culture" is "hedonistic",
C) That "skinhead culture" focuses on partying, beer, and clothes,
D) That being "ugly" is bad,
E) That being "hedonistic" is bad,
F) That partying is bad,
G) That beer is bad,
H) That fashion is bad,
and you just might have an argument.
(Or don't prove it; I can't say I'm all too excited to hear your justification for this neo-puritanical bullshit.)
Did you hear about the rose that grew from a crack in the concrete?
Proving nature's law is wrong it learned to walk with out having feet.
Funny it seems, but by keeping its dreams, it learned to breathe fresh air.
Long live the rose that grew from concrete when no one else ever cared.
