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    I am wondering what people think about this organization, since they do not claim to have any specific kind of communist ideology on their site as far as I know

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    Its a non-sectarian organization that is united around communist principles, not some doctrine from the early 20th century. Tactics, strategies, etc., are democratically decided upon.
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    What are the differences between CL and the FPM? I heard they were once allied/together.
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    LftP summed it up pretty well. We have members from all sorts of different "isms" -- everything from "libertarian communism" to "Marxism-Leninism." Our internal structure is both coordinated and democratic, so everyone's happy with that. We're more concentrated on developing class consciousness and advocating working-class self-emancipation than pushing a particular historical school of thought. And our membership is entirely working-class (we also have some petty-bourgeois supporters).

    JohnnyDarko, they are separate organizations. They used to work together, but there was a disagreement between them. You should search the forum for the thread on it here at RevLeft if you're interested... I don't think we should bring that conflict back in this topic.
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    I don't think we should bring that conflict back in this topic.
    I have no intention really about bringing conflict to this topic....

    I only wanted to be informed more about the background of CL, which sounds somewhat interesting but I doubt I can/will join.
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    Their members and supporters are great comrades in my experience with the few i've met or talked too but they're really small and new. They haven't released a publication since the begining of summer and their main publication is a double sided leaflet. Also they have a worker-only policy which i have some critiscisms on.
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    They haven't released a publication since the begining of summer and their main publication is a double sided leaflet.
    This makes it sound like we almost never release publications, which isn't the case. We've been in what I'd call a transitional stage since July, with a lot of internal changes, but if you go to the archives of our publications on our website, you'll notice that we released publications very regularly until July.

    Also, we have several publications. The one that you're calling our "main publication" is our shortest publication.

    And those curious about the prole only policy should search for some of the other threads on it here. It's been discussed extensively.
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    I assumed its the main one since the one time I've run into a CLer at a rally in Philadelphia, this was the only publication he carried with him.
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    The Worker, what Henry is referring to, is the CL's main publication.
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    I feel like a party should have one regular publication. Otherwise you run into such confusion. Also, you don't divide articles and focus on different publication, all energy is put into one publication, and the party is known for that publication. Just an opinion I thought I'd throw out there.
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    I agree with that, actually.

    Or at least, one publication per country the organization is active in.
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    It depends on the type of publication. Organizations can have weekly articles, monthly newspapers, and yearly magazines, for instance.
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    What's the estimated size of the CL?
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    I'm not giving numbers, but its fairly decent in terms of size after 3 years of existence, including members in some countries around the world.
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    Originally posted by Live for the People@September 02, 2007 02:00 pm
    I'm not giving numbers, but its fairly decent in terms of size after 3 years of existence, including members in some countries around the world.
    Another question, do you have any Washington state branches?
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    Is there a branch in Miami? I might have some friends who could be interested.
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    JD, look over the materials on both of the organization's sites if you're interested in the differences between them:

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    Originally posted by cenv@August 27, 2007 04:57 pm
    LftP summed it up pretty well. We have members from all sorts of different "isms" -- everything from "libertarian communism" to "Marxism-Leninism."
    ^^^ Why do you have anarchists in your group?

    If there is one "sectarian" divide I'm all for (not just "OK with"), it's between the anarchists and so-called "state socialists."

    I feel like a party should have one regular publication. Otherwise you run into such confusion. Also, you don't divide articles and focus on different publication, all energy is put into one publication, and the party is known for that publication. Just an opinion I thought I'd throw out there.
    The publication can contain only so much material, though. There is so much material that can be covered that potentially every issue can be a book's length.

    I'm of the opinion of two or three publications, but with only one political publication. After all, while something like culture can be political at times, at other times it isn't.
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    We allow anyone who agrees with the basic principles of our organization. Labels are superfluous.
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    Originally posted by cenv@September 04, 2007 04:09 am
    We allow anyone who agrees with the basic principles of our organization. Labels are superfluous.
    While I do see the point of this, doesn't it leave the league open to internal strife especially during a revolution?
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