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no spartan it is better to throw the spoiled eggs on them and that will be humiliation for them
and after that we do, fascist whant to fight with us then we will kick them in the ass
you see you must provocated them first and then beat them
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I agree with spartan. Just using violence does NOT make us fascists!!! Fascism is an ideology that flourishes violence, that is why we have to fight it physically. You cant just walk up to a fascist and say "Stop being a fascist". You would get killed. We have to confront them physically.
R.I.P Thomas Martinsen, AKA "tech" here at RevLeft
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not really. my point is that fascists are mostly fascists because of some form of racism or other prejudice, and i consider prejudice to be a mental disorder. fascism, for the most part, doesn't spread like an infectious disease, but rather pops up mostly at random (or possibly as a result of being dropped on yer head as a child) like a mental disease, so killing or beating fascists is only a very temporary solution, and a bloody one.
no offense to people with mental disorders.
Confronting them on all fronts. Not just being violent: that strategy isn't going to work.Originally posted by AntifaHooligan+September 18, 2007 11:11 pm--> (AntifaHooligan @ September 18, 2007 11:11 pm)What is your strategy then? [/b]It just isn't that simple, mate.@September 16, 2007 08:28 pm
Theres only one way to get rid of fascism, and that is destroying it physically!
Everybody: Make a gang, get some weapons and go out on those streets and destroy the right-wing scum! :banner:h34r:
You can't just beat fascists up and expect them to disappear. Nor can you just go around killing them and expect them to disappear. It just isn't that black and white.
Propaganda by the deed has it's place, but it is not suitable to completley crush fascism.
We have to do it through propaganda, and info. in our communities, schools, work places, etc.
And when necessary, we use physical means.
Oi Polloi have this great opening clip on their song "Bash the fash"...
"We'd say that that they (i.e. the fascists) put forward outside football grounds, on working class estates, have to be combated politically, but also, they've got a physical agenda, and that has to be met physically as well. People have to defend themselves against the fascists, they can't just turn the other cheek."
know what I'm saying?
"The sun shines. To hell with everything else!" - Stephen Fry
"As the world of the spectacle extends its reign it approaches the climax of its offensive, provoking new resistances everywhere. These resistances are very little known precisely because the reigning spectacle is designed to present an omnipresent hypnotic image of unanimous submission. But they do exist and are spreading.", The Bad Days Will End.
"(The) working class exists and struggles in all countries, and has the same enemies in all countries – the police, the army, the unions, nationalism, and the fake ‘socialism’ of the bourgeois left. It shows that the conditions for a worldwide revolution are ripening everywhere today. It shows that workers and revolutionaries are not passive spectators of inter-imperialist conflicts: they have a camp to choose, the camp of the proletarian struggle against all the factions of the bourgeoisie and all imperialisms." -ICC, Nation or Class?
No, it doesn't.
Fascists aren't fascists because they resort to violence.
"The sun shines. To hell with everything else!" - Stephen Fry
"As the world of the spectacle extends its reign it approaches the climax of its offensive, provoking new resistances everywhere. These resistances are very little known precisely because the reigning spectacle is designed to present an omnipresent hypnotic image of unanimous submission. But they do exist and are spreading.", The Bad Days Will End.
"(The) working class exists and struggles in all countries, and has the same enemies in all countries – the police, the army, the unions, nationalism, and the fake ‘socialism’ of the bourgeois left. It shows that the conditions for a worldwide revolution are ripening everywhere today. It shows that workers and revolutionaries are not passive spectators of inter-imperialist conflicts: they have a camp to choose, the camp of the proletarian struggle against all the factions of the bourgeoisie and all imperialisms." -ICC, Nation or Class?
you missed the point
i mean if we use violence on the same way like they do we will become same like fascist
but if we throw spoiled eggs on them and after that they whant to fight with us then we can send them to the hospital
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becouse after that we will have public on our side which we can use to promote our goals
i'm listening to that song right now. i completely agree. fascism must be countered/destroyed on all fronts. you can't fight violence with ideas, but you can't fight ideas with violence either. the only way to stop them is to be pragmatic and think things through. it is perfectly justified to beat fascists, but it accomplishes nothing unless coupled with other strategies.Originally posted by Tierra y Libertad+September 19, 2007 02:19 am--> (Tierra y Libertad @ September 19, 2007 02:19 am)Confronting them on all fronts. Not just being violent: that strategy isn't going to work.What is your strategy then?It just isn't that simple, mate.@September 16, 2007 08:28 pm
Theres only one way to get rid of fascism, and that is destroying it physically!
Everybody: Make a gang, get some weapons and go out on those streets and destroy the right-wing scum! :banner:
You can't just beat fascists up and expect them to disappear. Nor can you just go around killing them and expect them to disappear. It just isn't that black and white.
Propaganda by the deed has it's place, but it is not suitable to completley crush fascism.
We have to do it through propaganda, and info. in our communities, schools, work places, etc.
And when necessary, we use physical means.
Oi Polloi have this great opening clip on their song "Bash the fash"...
"We'd say that that they (i.e. the fascists) put forward outside football grounds, on working class estates, have to be combated politically, but also, they've got a physical agenda, and that has to be met physically as well. People have to defend themselves against the fascists, they can't just turn the other cheek."
know what I'm saying? [/b]
Nah, I got your point, I just don't agree :POriginally posted by hajduk+September 19, 2007 10:06 pm--> (hajduk @ September 19, 2007 10:06 pm)you missed the point
i mean if we use violence on the same way like they do we will become same like fascist
but if we throw spoiled eggs on them and after that they whant to fight with us then we can send them to the hospital
STRATEGY
becouse after that we will have public on our side which we can use to promote our goals [/b]
"The sun shines. To hell with everything else!" - Stephen Fry
"As the world of the spectacle extends its reign it approaches the climax of its offensive, provoking new resistances everywhere. These resistances are very little known precisely because the reigning spectacle is designed to present an omnipresent hypnotic image of unanimous submission. But they do exist and are spreading.", The Bad Days Will End.
"(The) working class exists and struggles in all countries, and has the same enemies in all countries – the police, the army, the unions, nationalism, and the fake ‘socialism’ of the bourgeois left. It shows that the conditions for a worldwide revolution are ripening everywhere today. It shows that workers and revolutionaries are not passive spectators of inter-imperialist conflicts: they have a camp to choose, the camp of the proletarian struggle against all the factions of the bourgeoisie and all imperialisms." -ICC, Nation or Class?
I think it's a good idea to confront them, just don't play into their games. Some of them have really bad tempers - use that to your advantage.
[FONT=Garamond]"It's Socialism, it WILL work or you will all suffer the consequences!!!!!!! ARRRGHH!"[/FONT]
As far as I can tell, you have managed to equivocate two very, very seperate questions.
The first of these would seem to be "is violence ever justified in combatting xenophobic violence?"
'n the second of these would seem to be "is it productive to the human spirit to deny the humanity of others?"
I would definately hold these to be seperate questions; not only could I engage in tactical military actions while acknowledging the inherent human worth of my enemy, but I would hope to solely do so; the moment the reason for violence is not the tactical objective of necessity, but merely violence itself for which one blames the victim, one has surrendered a measure of strategic clarity...
...and, yes, the commentary on "irony detectors" in this thread appears to be rather pertinent, as well. On a functional level, fascism is a process; violence is its goal, and the classical means of removing inhibitions to violence - racism, sexism, heterocentrism, nationalism, etc - are its means. Sure, this is likely inaccurate to the tiny minority of power eliete who are just fleecing money and control off the mindless and easily-manipulated... but it is a very successful analysis of the soldiers of rank low and high.
Of course, refusing to dehumanize your opponent just to justify your violence doesn't neccesarily mean that there aren't times when violence isn't useful, neccesary, and in the broad view, the only humane course of action - usually, in short-term measures to prevent the silencing of anti-fascist dissent by meeting a terror regieme with a very, very surgical strategy of applied counterterror... an art which has become quite a science...
...but by all means, love them as you kick their skull in. After all, if they could only overcome their handicap of the mental limitations of fascism, imagine how this would allow their inherent human potential to grow and blossom to the benefit of all and each.
Do not let love stop the tactics of necessity, and do not let hate be your reason when so much better reasons are avaliable.
...IMO.
