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an eye for a eye makes the whole world blind.
killing nazis will not stop the nazis, just like killing anti fascists will not stop the anti fascists.
☭ Our point of departure is to serve the people wholeheartedly and never for a moment divorce ourselves from the masses ☭
Your pacifistic mantra spewing is not going to change the facts of the world no matter how often you repeat it.
It certainly helped stop the first lot of nazis, I don't know if you recall a little scrap called World War II but it involved a lot of violence and eventually the nazi support was intensly diminished.
Lessening the number of fascists in the world is a good thing and don't you ever fucking forget it kiddo.
Sciences & Environment rocks my bedroom.
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"Frankly if we have a revolution and you stop me eating meat, I'm going to eat you."- The inimitable Skinz.
Be careful, lest the time comes where we have to weigh you against a duck.
you wont lessen the number of fascists by trying to kill them all off. first lot of nazis? did they ever go away? nazi support diminished more because of their own actions than anything the allies did.There has always been antisemitism, racism ect if you want to stop fascism you need to stop what causes fascism.If we become focused on killing fascists we arnt any better than they are. nazis arnt a race of people. we cant stop them by slowly weeding out their gene pool.
☭ Our point of departure is to serve the people wholeheartedly and never for a moment divorce ourselves from the masses ☭
They said the same thing about the buffalo when they were widespread, they shot the buffalo every time a herd appeared, now they're almost extinct.
To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.
-Mikhail Bakunin
but like i also said, they arnt their own race.they are our race. so unless we plan on purposely wipeing ourselves out...
☭ Our point of departure is to serve the people wholeheartedly and never for a moment divorce ourselves from the masses ☭
I know, but there isn't exactly a way to destroy an idea. There are ways to suppress them, not destroy them. Kill their believers.
To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.
-Mikhail Bakunin
but as long as the idea is alive there will still be belivers...i hate fascists as much as anyone else on this board but i cant agree with killing as a means of dealing with them
☭ Our point of departure is to serve the people wholeheartedly and never for a moment divorce ourselves from the masses ☭
I highly doubt that anyone here is suggesting that antifas solely attack fascists. Most antifas agree that a two-pronged approach is needed: educate their potential support base (white, working class) and fight them hand-to-hand to prevent them from gaining control of the streets, which is what they've done in Russia. Once they gain control of the streets, they can attack people at will, and the next step is turning their movement into a "legitimate" one and gaining political power.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
hmmm good point. i just dont like the idea of murder as a solution
☭ Our point of departure is to serve the people wholeheartedly and never for a moment divorce ourselves from the masses ☭
Nor do I.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
I do
Well at least for the guys who made that video ,dirty scum :angry:
"Marxist psychology is not a school amidst schools, but the only genuine psychology as a science. A psychology other than this cannot exist. And the other way around: everything that was and is genuinely scientific belongs to Marxist psychology" -Lev Vygotsky
"The Bolsheviks have shown that they are capable of everything that a genuine revolutionary party can contribute within the limits of historical possibilities. They are not supposed to perform miracles. For a model and faultless proletarian revolution in an isolated land, exhausted by world war, strangled by imperialism, betrayed by the international proletariat, would be a miracle."
-Rosa Luxemburg
Well, of course I would support the killing of them by antifas, but I still would rather that it did not have to happen in the first place.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
What do you suggest the AntiFas do about Fascists killing/fatally harming Revolutionaries? As Jazzratt indicated previously, violence is the most effective solution, it is a fact of life. World War II, the perfect example. I don't support savage murder as much as the next guy, so I refer to it as "Anti-Fascist Action".
but it isnt....if you can meatgrind through thousands and there will still be fascists. if revolutionaries started consecutively killing fascists, it would only draw more fascists to be killed , and to kill more comrades. world war 2 was the defeat of a government, not a fascism. Fascism is not something that we directly can grab hold of, and strangle
☭ Our point of departure is to serve the people wholeheartedly and never for a moment divorce ourselves from the masses ☭
Hence the two pronged tactic, shitnugget.
What do you mean "draw more fascists to be killed", fascism is about power and, when they're not powerful and not numerous what few fascists there are will be driven far underground. The other reason for killing fascists is that we must defend ourselves.
They were fascist governments - Italy & Germany were both fascist states at the time and now they're not. Millions of people were fascists before the war but their numbers dwindled drastically at the collapse of the fascist governments.
No but fascists are.
Sciences & Environment rocks my bedroom.
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"Frankly if we have a revolution and you stop me eating meat, I'm going to eat you."- The inimitable Skinz.
Be careful, lest the time comes where we have to weigh you against a duck.
arg fine i give up
☭ Our point of departure is to serve the people wholeheartedly and never for a moment divorce ourselves from the masses ☭
Okay, now... you have stated your opinion (many times). As you are becoming repetitive, I will ask a different question.
Okay, violence is not the answer. What is?
Nothing else is when it comes to the Nazis and fascists. You can't reason with them. They're too thick, they're too monstrous for reasoning, you have to meet them with force. Fist, firebomb, and bullet. That would be the only thing they can significantly respond to, they're that thick.
To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.
-Mikhail Bakunin
An often fatal flaw that many people make in a competitive scenario is to underestimate their opponents' abilities. Fascist are not as "thick" as you make them out to be. They're not all drunken idiots that have no reasoning capabilities.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
What? Explain. Please, explain.
And also, aren't those kind you're talking about the minority?
To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.
-Mikhail Bakunin
