Just a thought...
Would anyone here be adverse to sterilizing fascists?
Or rounding them all up and selling them as slaves?
Atleast until they renounce their discriminatory ideology. Would this "fly"?
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This thread is partly to piss ShitFront off, but mostly to actually discuss the formulation of some sort of idea, or plan, to confront and defeat Fascism in the long-run.
It's fairly apparent that Fascism is on the rise -- if not numerically, than simply by virtue of their more vocal nature. And the reason for this is simple; society itself is under pressure, and, as has been repeated again and again, when a society finds itself in the midsts of turmoil and instability, radicalization occurs in some members of the population. And for the most ignorant of these "radicals" and reactionaries are, of course, fascists, and racists, and racial supremacists; those who blame their problems on barbaric racial and cultural lines.
Let's get it straight. Those fascists on SF suffer under the same system we do. Unfortunately, though, for whatever reason, their reaction to this suffering was to immediately turn it against the most obvious, most apparent, and most villainized target -- minorities. Perhaps that is the fate of the weak-minded and dumb-witted. Perhaps the reality of socialism isn't readily available to all. Perhaps some people simply lack the intellectual capability to grasp historic reality. Maybe they were dropped on their heads, or maybe their parents did drugs while they were in the womb -- who knows? Whatever the cause, the symptom is getting stronger.
The point is, it must be combated. Of course we have our duty -- and it is a duty -- to fight capitalism. But fascism has the potential to be even more brutally repressive than capitalism, and we must make sure we do not let one grow while focusing on the other; we can't destroy the capitalist state only for fascism to launch from the shadows to take over while we aren't expecting it.
So what should we do? Currently there is an extensive arbitrary "network" of anti-fascist activists who actively pursue and block attempts by fascist scholars, speakers and "intellectuals" from spreading their repressive rhetoric. But this strategy is starting to fail. In the public domain we still dominate, and they are suppressed; but as ShitFront has shown, they have gotten around that by adopting purely anonymous forums for communication on the internet.
They have adapted, and so must we. We must cast off the veils they hide behind and expose them through programs such as NaziWatch and FashWatch. When their pictures are found we must post them in their neighbourhoods and cities for all to see. We must relently pursue them and drive them further into obscurity. So I suggest the following:
- Activists should continue to confront fascists whenever they rear their ugly head in public.
- Activists need to step-up their efforts to identify and spread information on known fascists.
- Activists need to apply this information locally to discredit and humiliate known fascits in the cities and towns they live in.
- Where the situation is more dire, and fascists exhibit violence, we must reciprocate to defend their victims.
- Direct action tactics must be applied to any known fascist property.
- Potentially deadly violence must be avoided. We do not want to create any martyrs.
This issue is one that expands beyond our individual differences. Fascism is a direct threat to the working masses. Whether you are a Communist or an Anarchist, do not believe for one second that if given half the chance, fascists would have us all killed, and would crush the masses under the heel of their boots. We must do whatever necessary to ensure that they never get that chance. This is why we must confront them no matter where they are, no matter what avenue they take. We must combine our fight against fascism with our fight against capitalism, for both pose an immediate threat to the proletariat. Their methods are different, but they both seek to subjugate the people, the proletariat, the peasants and the poor. As in Italy, and Spain, and Germany, fascism triumphed on the heels of socialist revolutionary currents; left unchecked, it hijacked and manipulated the masses' cries for change, bribed them with power and hypnotized them with promises of freedom, while it delivered nothing but oppression. This is the same tactic fascism uses today. The world is in upheavel and they have wasted no time in taking their place at the sidelines, slowly growing, slowly waiting for the oppurtunity when they can sweep in and romance the masses.
This is why, in my opinion, fascism must be defeated as capitalism is defeated. We can not ignore one for the other.
What are everyone else's thoughts?
Just a thought...
Would anyone here be adverse to sterilizing fascists?
Or rounding them all up and selling them as slaves?
Atleast until they renounce their discriminatory ideology. Would this "fly"?
No. Don't be so fucking stupid.
Totally in agreeance with you RNK. Ive noticed here in Calgary alone the rise of the fascist movement. They have already organized into a group called aryan guard so the work is cut out for all of us anti fascists. I WILL NOT let them win the streets and start spreading there racist propaganda to kids.
As too the rounding them up for slaves or sterilizing them fuck that just shoot em.
No. No it wouldn't. It would be impossible to "de-sterilise" them and slavery is NEVER justified.
Wanker.
Sciences & Environment rocks my bedroom.
[FONT=Arial]Say what you mean and say it mean...[/FONT]
"Frankly if we have a revolution and you stop me eating meat, I'm going to eat you."- The inimitable Skinz.
Be careful, lest the time comes where we have to weigh you against a duck.
I'm pretty sure s/he was joking. Though I support the things stated in this thread, it doesn't really put forward any new ideas.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
Just in case RKN was not joking:
No. That wouldn't fly. Sterilization is against human rights, and the sterilization of a group because of political beliefs would be classified genocide. Furthermore, slavery is wrong and something we need to work to abolish, not accept when it favours us.
We need real answers to fascism, not immature and ridiculous fash-baiting. Identification and direct action against fascists only goes part of the way. We need to work harder and more consistently then they do- we need to encourage everyone to work with us, not just those who agree with whichever narrow group we identify with- we need to constantly oppose them, never let them rest, always be there where they are, never let them speak to someone who we don't speak to. We need to ensure that our networks are broader and more efficient and effective then theirs. Fascism is an ideology, a belief, just like communism. You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.
My political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams
Hence the purpose of this thread, to get others to submit ideas, and talk about ways to actually deal with their threat.
And yes, I am guilty of fash-baiting (in my second post). And no, I wasn't serious.
PS I agree with your analysis.
RNK im gonna have to come to quebec some time me and you can go around beat down some fash.
Sounds great. I know where we could find a few.
The NYU republican club held some sort of "catch an illegal immigrant" game a few weeks ago, to which we counterprotested. I remarked about how sick this was to one of my RCP comrades and he replied, "That's the type of shit we will shut down once we have state power"
That is exactly correct, however until then we must improvise. We must definatly set up Fash Watches in every country, every state, and every city and support them. That is the first step.
i have seen a canadian red watch set up on blogger. If any comrades here would like to help me set up an American Fash Watch that would be great, we should devote this thread to drafting a mission statement
"Love Other Human Beings like you would Yourself"
-- Ho Chi Minh
"We Don't Care who gets elected, because whoever it is will be Overthrown"
-- Subcomandante Marcos
If anyone wants to set up a site like that in their country, please don't do it like the fash, just posting pictures and names. Try to get some decent information on their activities etc.
this is a good example: http://kafka.antifa.net/
