why not? they're fash, or at least fash supporters (although ideally if you could destroy them through argument and debate that'd be better)...
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There are two people in my year at school who defend the BNP claiming that they are not racist. Stuff they come out with is unbelievable, such as "they are putting the british people first" and "they have distanced themselves from the racsim and groups like combat 18". They are really pissing me off and I feel like giving both of them a good kicking.
why not? they're fash, or at least fash supporters (although ideally if you could destroy them through argument and debate that'd be better)...
Im afraid arguement has failed. one of them is a paid up memeber of the conservative party.I would feel very satisfied in giving him a good beating.
lol, bnp and tory bastards.
like hell they've have "have distanced themselves from the racism and groups like combat 18". You only need to look at photos of the bastards at their recent "conference" (lol) to see how untrue this is.
in my experience the majority of members are racist fucks. but a tiny minority may just be kids drawn in by the feeling of power, superiority and fitting-in that this kind of racist ideology provides. The bnp lie in order to draw in these people, they scapegoat immigrants for problems caused by capitalism, they use them as an excuse to hide the real problems in british society and they preach hatred to all who fall into their trap whether through ignorance or just generally being pissed off at the state of our society.
the problem isn't immigrants, we're not overcrowded, we've plenty of room for more if NL pulls the finger out and builds some more houses (which are NOT as the bnp says being all used up by immigrants, they're simply being bought up due to the legislation brought in by thatcher to divide the working class), stops laying off hospital workers in favour of middle managers and stops closing down stateschools to be replaced by capitalist "PFI" academies which are a load of crap. the problem is capitalism, oppression and the unrepresentative, unequal, bourgeois "democracy" in which we live.
it's not hard to defeat the bnp's racist lies and propaganda, a quick search around revleft and keeping on top of current affairs will enable you to do it. and if not, well....there's always the Trotsky quote regarding heads and pavements.(i joke of course, i'd never incite violence!
alternatively (and we should always look for a non-violent solution when dealing with young members who may have just been naively drawn in), you could point out to your classmates the disgusting ideas their fellow students hold, the "voluntary repatriation" many of them will be subject to if (LOL!
good luck comrade :hammer:
it's times like these we should all pump on the volume to Oi Polloi's "Bash the Fash" written specifically in assault to BNP scum.
We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it finally leaves the stage of history. We Are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute.
~Durruti
Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains.
~Rousseau
Theres quite a few tiny fascist groups in this country, reckon the BNP would try and pull them together?
"Ensanguining the skies,
How heavily it dies,
Into the west away.
Past touch and sight and sound,
Not further to be found,
How hopeless underground
Falls the remorseful day" A.E. Housman
I HATE the Chinese state, it does more damage to Leftism than Nazism and Fascism combined.
If you have the moral high ground why do you have to resort to violence?
Does communism mean equal rights for all? If so then if violence is right for one its right for all. That being so I suppose you support this link.
By the way I'm a BNP candidate and in a mixed race marriage. The other day I gave a speech to some Blacks in Speke (election on the 8th) and explained to them that the BNP do well in Birmingham only with the help of the Black, Hindu and Sikh voters. My wedding pictures helped cut the ice and while I don't expect many of them will vote for me now they will in the future. I'll say goodbye to you all now as unlike the BNP website "your say" opposing views and free speech will not be tolerated here and I'll be banned. I would love to chat to you all on SF but it's proscribed in the BNP so I'll chat on "your say".
no to violence
How can you reconcile your ideas of racial tolerance with that of your party then? Or are you the "hook" to get the immigrant vote so you can deport them?
But honestly Welshred, I think it's not particularily clever or productive to just beat up your ideological opponenets. Be more creative and show everyone around you why the ideas they promote are not right. Otherwise you've only managed to show that you can cause physical harm to people, and that doesn't refute fascism in any way. As far as "stopping it from spreading" or what ever, I can safely say that this tumour is benign and will be for quite some time.
Even if governments decided to follow an authoritarian system under threat they wouldn't dare solicit the help of such unlikeable groups. Instead it would be "emergency powers" or something of that sort.
I know beating up opponets is not the best way I said I only felt like doing it. Anyway It surprising just how many people support the fash. Most people dont like left wing polotics and it feels like Im going against the tide sometimes.
Look at the history of the party members that lead you mate, you've got paedophiles, Cocaine dealers. And oh yea, people who have done time for racist attacks.
Then perhaps we should look at the history of your movement, the fascist, nationalist movement. I don't think I need to explore this avenue any further. Though of coruse, for the time being "peace" is far more likely to move the party forward than violence, thats tactical common sence. The BNP have learnt that lesson, and ours side has to. But we both know what happens in different social context don't we.
Not really. Rights are things handed down from a superior. We're talking about liberty.
You're not being banned because of some Jewish conspiracy to cover up 'racial truth'. Open debate is important, but this forum has a directional purpose that doesn't involve your bigotry. Post on the Phora or something.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
The far right is even more split than the far left.
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Soul
Brother
Ok, so let me get this straight. You are depending on votes from people of non-British origin in order to gain power, yet when you do get into power you plan to stop them entering Britain?
From the BNP website:
...etc, etc.
Just because a BNP member happens to be in a mixed-race marriage does not make the BNP any less racist.
World, the time has come to push the button.
Propaganda for the Masses
Why do people still defend nazi groups like this? It is unbelievable.
Hit them with some evidence they can't argue with.Make them lost for words.
Try the BNP website (yeah just grit your teeth and get on there!
How about
on hxxxp://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/discrimination.htm
That article blatantly encourages discrimination on the basis of preconcieved stereotypes of race.
(And my gods it has so many flaws in the argument! Im sure there are better articles you could show them. The likelihood is that like someone said they are using this party as a way to be different and elevate themselves with having some pathetic political ideology to cling to. I doubt there's that much research behind their claims..)
Oh, and apparently
Of course they are.
The BNP is openly racist. You cant be a member if your not white...
that's not technically true.
They've got that armenian guy and also there's that sikh who they often parade about on "bnp tv" (not entirely sure if he's a member though).
but still, clearly, they're not fooling anyone with self-hating idiots joining.
^Exactly, remember when Hitler allowed a half-Jewish athlete to compete for Germany in the 1933 Olympic games, didn't mean he thought the Jews were fine and dandy.
If they BNP get into power, I'm pretty sure that Sikh guy would be in a camp of some sort.
"The class war begins in the desecration of our ancestors: millions of people going to their graves as failures, forever denied the experience of a full human existence, their being was simply cancelled out. The violence of the bourgeoisie's appropriation of the world of work becomes the structure that dominates our existence. As our parents die, we can say truly that their lives were for nothing, that the black earth which is thrown down onto them blacks out our sky."
Do the BNP have a manifesto, well that i can view - the one on their website never seems to come up, i could just do with a laugh?
"Ensanguining the skies,
How heavily it dies,
Into the west away.
Past touch and sight and sound,
Not further to be found,
How hopeless underground
Falls the remorseful day" A.E. Housman
I HATE the Chinese state, it does more damage to Leftism than Nazism and Fascism combined.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/candidates2005/man_menu.htm
have a good laugh.
'twill be the best laugh comrade
"Ensanguining the skies,
How heavily it dies,
Into the west away.
Past touch and sight and sound,
Not further to be found,
How hopeless underground
Falls the remorseful day" A.E. Housman
I HATE the Chinese state, it does more damage to Leftism than Nazism and Fascism combined.
