So you openly support a pro-capitalist political party?
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The government can't work for us. The government is set up against us. We are the proletariat we are the ones getting fucked we are the ones who the system is rigged against. The green party won't do shit to help us. They will gloss over things and give you just enough so you won't revolt but not enough to be free. But then what about the people who aren't under the greens? The people outside of your country? What about the people your country uses to make themselves a first world country?
So your answer to the problems we have is to stop opposing...... and start condoning? That sickens me.
To the OP, I say you smack those fascists up a bit if you get the chance. Debating is well and good if people are around to laugh at the fascist but if no one is around just smash out a few teeth. It will sure fuck up their presentation while spreading their shit.
So you openly support a pro-capitalist political party?
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
Alright.
Well, to be honest my criticisms come from problems that I have personally observed with the antifascist movement. And the successes of the BNP.
And to be honest I can't really think of any obvious, solutions to the problems. In this seasons issue of "class war" they mentioned that the Rise of the BNP, the anti-immigrant sentiment in the media, and the collapse of Antifascist Action in the 90s, have all contributed to making the current climate as bleak as it is.
Im racking my brains to figure out practical ways of doing anything progressive, in light of the history of the antifascist movement the things that need to be done are almost undoable. In my eyes, mending the wounds between various splits from AFA ... (ANL, UAF, Antifa) and more publicity, and co-operation with local press are perhaps the best courses of action. But I know that both these ideas are, firstly very vague and illogistical, and also incredibly unpopular, particularly amongst the better antifascist groups, such as Anitfa. Which is a shame, and I don't entirely disagree with them. As I said, in light of everything that has happened there are good reasons for not working with other Antifascist groups, and not working in the media.
Perhaps another umbrella antifascist group, like the AFA should start up, drain all the other groups memberships and leave them to rot. Of course, this is a bit of a far fetched plan of action!
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
Sounds like a girl at my college. She's a cold hearted witch who hates foreigners with the exception of people from Germany, advocates eugenics and selective sterilisation, and is pro-war.
I assume most people have seen the pianist? She finds the film incredibly funny, especially the bit where Nazi's throw a disabled Jewish man out of a window. Even went as far to claim that it should happen here in the UK, because and i quote "Disabled people and Jews are a drain on society".
She's a bit of a contradiction of sorts though, whilst on one hand she claims the BNP have moved on and people should vote for them. On the other she spouts bullshit fascist rhetoric.
Put simply... there's no reasoning with some people as they're beyond the reach of reasoning. If she's like that I'd hate to meet the rest of her family.
Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90
Unite the masses, and salvage the future
ask her out.
keep your friends close, and your enemies in your bed.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
I would, but i wouldn't want to catch anything nasty :P
Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90
Unite the masses, and salvage the future
Ask her out and inject yourself with AIDS. Then spread it to her and after you break up she will spread it through her family.If she is so concerned with keeping the white race alive she might have to inbreed.
If not maybe just give her some leaflets. Maybe some extracts from this http://www.plp.org/pamphlets/smash_racism.html
But maybe some people are beyond our reach.
bend the truth a little to make them seem worse - what damage can it do? if these people are stupid they'll be easy to convince - something like "they often contract out people to beat up non-whites and immigrants" say it was in the guardian last year or something like that. good old anti-fascist propaganda - i mean making stuff up against them won't really play on your conscience.
"Ensanguining the skies,
How heavily it dies,
Into the west away.
Past touch and sight and sound,
Not further to be found,
How hopeless underground
Falls the remorseful day" A.E. Housman
I HATE the Chinese state, it does more damage to Leftism than Nazism and Fascism combined.
why would we need to when they actually do loads of shitty things?
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
LU: to paraphrase Bob Dylan (far better person to quote than Hitler, for soooo many reasons), in his autobiography he tells of a time he was being driven around northern ireland, not too long ago. His host was protestant, and they passed an Orangeman march. They talked about the conflict and his host told of how the orangemen can do as much marching as they like, the whole issue was no longer about violence. Even catholics thought the Orangemen were a joke. Dylan says:
'When one side is laughing at the other, the battle has already won'
or some such gubbins.
I can't be arsed to argue the point. You're probably right. Smash em. That will show them that the Left is right, yeah. Hell, lets dispose of our political opponents through unrelenting violence, that'll learn the buggers that we aren't tyannical or Stalinist.
You people who talk about violence against the BNP have a tendency to become very dangerous yourselves. Granted, I don't like the BNP and I would very vocally object to their prescence in my area, but violence is always to be avoided. It is a last resort. Granted it's often an effective last resort, but far less efective than assasination of political views. Destroy the BNP ideologically primarily, physically only if there is no other option, ie such as their power becomes too great to use any other route to dispose them.
I am very tired. Please forgive any mistakes in my writing. Fucking hate shift work.
May the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution.
"But, why let truth stand in the way of a good lie, eh?" - Rosa Lichenstein
well said Fashbash. I agree with basically everything you have said. We do not want to create unnecessary violence, and, as such, should focus our aims on ideologically destroying them. I think that Propaganda is the best way to do this, and the media, and a lot of history itself, is propaganda. Again I stress that if we cannot obtain EVIDENCE of what they are doing, even if we know what they are up to, we should invent evidence. As I said cheating the fascists out of the political system is not going to weigh on our conscience. A larger problem than the BNP is the closet Nationalist Fascist Daily Mail - an old supporter of Oswald Mosley.
"Ensanguining the skies,
How heavily it dies,
Into the west away.
Past touch and sight and sound,
Not further to be found,
How hopeless underground
Falls the remorseful day" A.E. Housman
I HATE the Chinese state, it does more damage to Leftism than Nazism and Fascism combined.
Ummm.... Your handle is Fash Bash
I don't think violence is a practical way of taking down the BNP. I do think it would be pretty fun to knock in some teeth of the supporters of BNP. I would put on my steel toed boots and give them a couple high kicks. But I live in the US and there are no BNP supporters where I am. There aren't any vocal klansmen here either. They hide like cowards because the bloods and crips would fucking roll up on their marches and mow 'em down.
lol mate - its doesnt suprise me there are no BNP supporters in the US.
"Ensanguining the skies,
How heavily it dies,
Into the west away.
Past touch and sight and sound,
Not further to be found,
How hopeless underground
Falls the remorseful day" A.E. Housman
I HATE the Chinese state, it does more damage to Leftism than Nazism and Fascism combined.
Is there an equivalent to the BNP in America?
Oui, c'est ironic non?
May the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution.
"But, why let truth stand in the way of a good lie, eh?" - Rosa Lichenstein
