Surveillence Cameras

[luxemburg89]

"also, they are doing an experiment of putting cameras with speakers up and the people watching you can shout at you through the cameras " I dunno how to do that quote thing so i'll just do it this way.

Whereabouts are they doing that? it's certainly not happening anywhere near me and i've never heard of it - that's not to say it isn't happening at all tho.

p.s. when you move here buy the Morning Star, it'll be at train stations and some newsagents - it needs the support and money.

[bcbm]

If your not speeding whats the problem?

I like to speed. And your argument is the same bullshit used to justify wiretapping, torture and all sorts of other nasty things.

The camera's are outside in public areas where anyone can watch or see you. You cant walk outside and sue everyone who sees you claiming they violated your right to privacy by being there, the same should be true for the speed cameras.

Your average person on the street generally isn't recording my actions, nor are they working for the government and being paid to monitor activities. And really, I just don't like the government to be watching me or recording me, ever, period and I see nothing wrong with that. Obviously the bosses do, because they view us all as potential criminals anyway and would love to lock us up- all the more reason to oppose this!

[SocialistGenius]

Thank you for the replies, comrades.

[Whitten]

Originally posted by black coffee black metal
I like to speed.

Then I hope you get hit by a truck before you hit an innocent bystander.

And your argument is the same bullshit used to justify wiretapping, torture and all sorts of other nasty things.

Its completly different as wire tapping violates a private conversation, driving your car in public view cant be expected to provide privacy. And if you think speed cameras are some how on par with torture you need a head examination.

Your average person on the street generally isn't recording my actions, nor are they working for the government and being paid to monitor activities. And really, I just don't like the government to be watching me or recording me, ever, period and I see nothing wrong with that. Obviously the bosses do, because they view us all as potential criminals anyway and would love to lock us up- all the more reason to oppose this!

So you value how you feel about a minor detail beyond the lives of the people you may kill with your driving? Well your first sentence clearly shows you value your own enjoyment above those lives you may take, it shouldnt be suprising really.

[RNK]

oh yea and fuck the roman catholic church. Irish catholic by birth Irish Republician by choice

Please don't intrude into these forums with some religious/nationalistic hogwash. Hate the British because they're oppressing Ireland, not because they're Roman Catholics FFS (for the record, I'm Irish Catholic too)

Anyway yes there's a difference between you being seen walking down the street, which the average person is caught doing by eyesight 2350905 times a day, and having a private phone conversation listened into. What I don't like is this habit of some people to be utterly and completely against absolutely anything done by the government or any type of authority. Cameras are there, mainly, to prevent crime. Police are there, mainly, to fight crime. I suppose you also want to get rid of Fire Departments too? Afterall they're part of the establishment.

Rather than making a fuss about surveillance cameras and how you were once caught speeding by them, make a fuss about your country's involvement in the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis. Or the oppression of Ireland. Surely those are more important topics than you getting a speeding ticket. And please don't tell me that there won't be speed limits in a Communist society...

[Revalation]

Originally posted by Ernest@February 08, 2007 10:36 am

oh yea and fuck the roman catholic church. Irish catholic by birth Irish Republician by choice

Please don't intrude into these forums with some religious/nationalistic hogwash. Hate the British because they're oppressing Ireland, not because they're Roman Catholics FFS (for the record, I'm Irish Catholic too)

sorry mabey I used the wrong words. I was born a catholic i had no choice in the matter, i'm no longer a catholic as the roman catholic churh is bull shit. I am however a republician tho by choice of my own free will and i don't hate british people or religious people I hate the system of oppression that they where born into. And that i have to suffer because of it.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Whitten@February 08, 2007 02:34 am
Then I hope you get hit by a truck before you hit an innocent bystander.

Oh fuck off. Going 5-10 over isn't quite the same a drunk driving. I'm still in total control of my vehicle and always watch the road, and slow down in heavy pedestrian areas.

Its completly different as wire tapping violates a private conversation, driving your car in public view cant be expected to provide privacy. And if you think speed cameras are some how on par with torture you need a head examination.

I said it was the same argument, and it is. "If you haven't done anything wrong, what's the problem?" Sorry, but I think privacy is pretty fundamental and even in public, I think I should not be worried about being recorded.

So you value how you feel about a minor detail beyond the lives of the people you may kill with your driving? Well your first sentence clearly shows you value your own enjoyment above those lives you may take, it shouldnt be suprising really.

I've never even been in an accident. Driving a bit over the speed limit isn't the same as driving with reckless abandon, your argument is a logical fallacy if I ever saw one.

Hate the British because they're oppressing Ireland, not because they're Roman Catholics FFS

The British aren't Roman Catholic, they're Protestant. Anglican, specifically.

[BraveNewWorld]

Cameras are there, mainly, to prevent crime. Police are there, mainly, to fight crime. I suppose you also want to get rid of Fire Departments too? Afterall they're part of the establishment.

Exactly. I'm totaaly opposed to the British government but i dont hve a major problem with most cameras in the city where I live (except the ones that see us 'letting our hair down' on a Friday night....) Just because the camera is there does not mean that theirs some guy on the other end with your life history in front of him recording everything you do. Sounds like some people have caught the paranoia bug....

BraveNewWorld

[apathy maybe]

Cameras are there to prevent crime. But it isn't you or I who decide what constitutes crime. Besides, governments have a tendancy to want more and more power, if you let them have their cameras in public and record whatever they want, they will eventually get the tech to use computers to spot individuals. Good luck staying out of jail if you have ever committed a crime in that environment.

Besides, I commit crime all the time, I shoplift, I jaywalk, I graffiti and I do other little minor things that don't harm anyone. Take jaywalking for example, most cops turn a blind eye to it, but if they want to be bastards, they will. Do you want that possibility no matter what time of day it is or how many people are about?

Besides those small crimes, I fuck shit up, I go to protests and deliberately wreck government and corporate property. Even if I am talking solely as a self interested person, I hate cameras.

They don't stop crime, they are just another method of control. Why don't you read 1984 as well as Brave New World?