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    There's a debate about G-d's existence on this board and what I've noticed is that there are lots of sites on the web made by Christians who are trying to convert atheists. They give (shaky) mathematical justification for belief in a higher power. What I'm wondering is if there is any proof that there is one G-d and one G-d only. Because even if there is reason to believe that we're not alone, is there proof that the polytheists are wrong and the monotheists are right?
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    here is an extract from perhaps the authorative study
    http://www.bartleby.com/196/pages/page504.html
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    If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
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    Hi Mate! Well what I have to say to this discusion is that in my opinion everyone has to find his own religious content. I don't really believe there is the perfect religion, which offers an answer to all your questions, not the katholism, nore anyone else does!
    Further i totaly admit christians should show more solidarity to other opinions... in times where the *Globalisation* is unstopable respect and solidarity is of imense importance!
    Not in against, in together there lies the future!

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    he existence of 1 or more gods really doesnt concern me - im against organized religion and not quite sure the whole god thing fits me.


    Why do you say g-d?
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    It's sacrilige to say God's name, proper religous doctrine demands G-d.
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    I found somewhere on annother website which explained the existance of god something along the lines of.

    a) Something cannot be created from nothing
    B) Something which exists must exist for it's own purposes or something elses purposes

    Then there was a couple more but the only point people argued on was whether the universe needs itself to exist or not.

    I'm an Anglican with Quaker and Taoist leanings and I don't really believe in the one true path because that lets people like Leopold II and Mary Tudor into heavan yet sends people like Ghandi to hell. I also don't believe it's possible to prove or disprove the existance of god.
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    Man's dearest possession is life, and since it is given to him to live but once.He must so live that dying he can say, all my life and all my strength have been given to the greatest cause in the world, the liberation of mankind
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    Muriel Spark:

    If I had my life to live over again I should form the habit of nightly composing myself to thoughts of death. I would practice, as it were, the remembrance of death. There is no other practice which so intensifies life. Death, when it approaches, ought not to take one by surprise. It should be part of the full expectancy of life. Without an ever-present sense of death life is insipid. You might as well live on the whites of eggs.
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    Thanks for those articles, peaccenicked. You must have thousands of bookmarks.

    And just to get this out of the way, I'm not asking for the one true path here because my religion actually has nothing to do with the existence or nonexistence of G-d. I'm talking mathematical terms here, science and whatnot. And about the G-d thing, I grew up in two very non-Jewish places but my mother is Jewish so in the first place I lived, where there was no Hebrew School, the few local Jewish kids were taught by a few Hasidim. Also, I write essays from time to time about my religion, Humanist Judaism, and since most other Jews don't consider us to be as truly Jewish as they are I throw in a few Jewish expressions, such as G-d. I don't have a stick up my ass or anything, it's simply become a good habit.

    I guess any study which attempts to answer my question would have to assume that there is some kind of higher power, which is something that I don't believe in but am, like many humans, fascinated by nonetheless. This already might put me in wacko territory but some real, respectable people have written about this. I'm not sure exactly how this would work but I'm sure someone would. I don't know, maybe my question was too specific or dumb.

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    I Will Deny You.
    You are denying me alright!
    No need to open a new post with the question, it is has already been answered in the main thread on the subject to some extent.
    One of the main differences between polytheistic Gods, and monotheistic God, is that the polytheistic Gods, included upfront physical imagery of what the Gods looked like. They did possess "super" natural powers just like monotheistic God, but the idea of an old man with a beard is not necessary. Xenophanes, the very first European monotheist did not accept human imagery as part of the attributes of God.
    There is still a difference though between polytheism, and monotheism. The most advanced polytheistic system was in ancient Greece, and herein the Gods were answerable to the Fates, they had no control over Necessity and Chance.
    Monotheistic God is all powerful God.
    A pity you put up the new thread, this response should have been in my thread, just like your question. Am I that scarey?
    You see the mathematical stuff is okay, because I have no desire to engage with my brother on the issue except in private, but you really ought not to deny me.
    It is not very comradely.
    It is not just a simple difference of numbers, monotheistic God, is a higher form of the concept of God, but there is a similarity, and the similarity, is in the origin of the concept, and what the word God means in terms of it being the deification of a supernatural being.
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