Don't bother. Walk away and have nothing to do with him. In fact, it's your duty to kick his ass if he ever even thinks about physically hurting someone.
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Hey all. There's a new kid at my school and we've hit it off pretty well. However, I just recently found out that he's a Nazi. He despises other races and Jews.
He's really nice and I've never heard him get political so far, but another one of my friends have asked him if he's a Nazi and he confirmed it. He said he hates "spics, niggers, sand niggers, and jews."
Does anyone have any ideas on how to approach this? He really is a great guy, at least to me. I want to help correct his ideas so he can be an overall better person than he is now.
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Don't bother. Walk away and have nothing to do with him. In fact, it's your duty to kick his ass if he ever even thinks about physically hurting someone.
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Don't try and confront him... You might want to ask him why he has these views. Don't try and make it seem like your views are superior, but just explain to him why you disagree. That's the first step, I think.
I can't imagine why he would be a nazi unless his parents force-fed the ideas to him, and in this case, you, as a friend, might be able to help him out. Everyone loves rebelling against their parents anyway :P
Don't judge him badly right away, he is most likely indoctrinated by his environment and doesn't know any better. Ask him why he feels that way, what reasons he has for hating them, what they've done wrong according to him, and counter his "arguments" (if he can come up with any). You know you're right and he's in the wrong, don't forget that. So basically there is nothing to be afraid of. I don't know how your debating skills are, but if they're decent you might bring hm to the insight that he's just been indoctrinated and only repeats what others have told him. If he has any selfrespect, he'll realise he's just being used and he'll be thankful for pointing it out to him. If he's dumb, he'll just ignore your counterarguments and to be honest, it's not worth hanging out with him (or at least, that's how I feel about it). I know the feeling, I've had friends that I later found out are racists, I convinced a few and they felt dumb for believing in racism (all of them were parentally fed the nonsense). Some wouldn't listen to reason, so I told them to fuck off.
Good luck!
There's not alot you can do except take a stand tell him that no matter how much you get along you can't be associated with anyone holding or expressing a racist view. If that doesn't work lynch him so he knows what it feels like
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Most racists are racist because they are looking for an easy scapegoat for their (or the nation's) problems or because they feel the need to be part of a group. The best thing you can do is explain him the way society really works and the fact that 'race' doesn't play a part in capitalism. Capitalists don't care what a person looks like (unless they are in a represantative function), they only care for profits, and thta's exactly what's causing most problems in the world today.
If he's a real nazi however, this might be a problem, those people are just sick.
I know how you are feel I have a friend, he's not a Nazi but He admits to being both a "Conservative" and an "Asshole" (not to hard to find a combination of the two, now is it?) he stereotypes, and is pretty rude about it, he says he stereotypes (racial and non-racial) for because he is stereotyped (as a nerd, though he argues he's not), I have argued and argued with him over the fact that all this is pointless, he doesn't listen he just calls me a hippie and sometimes a commie (this started long before I adopted much of my leftist view). I say that these people are the people with the shit that the capitalist elite shove down their throats. I know how hard it is to argue with them, just try to stop them before they turn in to accual Nazis, these people are more happy with the statis quo, but perhaps they will be less likely to hate leftist if they had a leftist, don't try to convert him, then he will just get pissed off, but perhaps when he is older he will remember his leftist friend before he starts fighting them, and if you must argue be casual, show him that even though you are white, you have no problem with as he calls them
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they seem to scream "We're anti-capitalist! now buy our shit!!!"
Engage him in debate and he'll show his true colours. Then you won't have any second thoughts about engaging him physically, or ignoring him.
"How you cling to your purity, young man! How afraid you are to soil your hands! All right, stay pure! What good will it do? Why did you join us? Purity is an idea for a yogi or a monk. You intellectuals and Bourgeois anarchists use it as a pretext for doing nothing. To do nothing, to remain motionless, arms at your sides, wearing kids gloves. Well, I have dirty hands. Right up to the elbows. I've plunged them in the filth and blood. But what do you hope? Do you think you'll govern innocently?"-Jean-Paul Sartre
I guess it depend on whether this guy is a real skin head, if he is then just tell everyone, and see what the minority kid, or as he calls them,
think of his comments, and then either sit back and watch the racist get pummeled, or even join in!!!
Thoughts about Revlefts new banner-
they seem to scream "We're anti-capitalist! now buy our shit!!!"
hate and racism are things that are next to impossible to justify logically. I recently had a similar experience with people whom I didn't know were neo-nazi's until I ended up at their home.... not a fun experience let me tell you..
The first thing I would suggest is to inquire into his reasons for feeling this way and holding these opinions. Do not be confrontational, when people feel threatened they become defensive. You say he seems nice, so he may be open to casual conversation. Many people hold opinions they they cannot justify to themselves, these most often result from our environment and not conscious choice to believe in certain ideas/concepts. You need to get his mind thinking, thinking about himself, thinking about his environment, thinking about why he's been influenced and thinking about ways to acknowledge these faults in his beliefs and he needs to take action to correct these behaviours, but you can't make him come around he needs to figure these things out on his own, upon self reflection. What you can do is be friendly, warm and open with him. Be open with your ideas in a non-confrontational/non-violent way (ie "the only good nazi is a dead nazi" is an incredibly disgusting thing to say, hate is hate no matter who it's directed towards and only inforces this mindset), allow him to also express his beliefs, let him feel comfortable to do so and when he does so, question him. Don't question him because you hate his opinions, question him because you care about his well-being. We know these ideas are wrong, hateful and repulsive, but they do not' see it that way. I guess just gradually introduce him to leftist ideas, hopefully he'll begin to question his own ideas.
My friend said he was a nazi, and he continues to this day, claiming he is one. I really don't believe him though, I think he is just looking for attention.
Back to your situation, I would normally say kick his ass. But Honestly, in my opinion, many would disagree with it. Just go with it, be his friend, don't even bring up politics. If it gets to it though, like where he's bringing up that nazi shit unprovoked, I say open-season.
I have alot of republican friends. I debate em, and shit, and we will always disagree. But they aren't dicks about it usually. I don't mean to compare republicans to Nazi's but thats as close to your situation that i can relate to, that and my pseudo nazi friend.
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I agree 100% kick this his ass, its useless debating and trying to change these fuckers minds. I dont know how great of a guy he could be if he's a nazi, the best way to deal with him would be to pound his face into the ground
I understand you; I just recently realized how rightist an old time friend of mine is, showing anti communism, and some racism. We have engaged in hard debates about politics, and despite I don't consider him a fascist, he's a neo-conservative, who might go further to the extreme right. Since we had the last "rough talk" he hasn't shown his petty racist views in front of me, neither his disgusting support for the "war on terror". I can tolerate his right wing politics but never fascism. Of course this has affected our friendship, to the point that I don't trust him enough to be a friend anymore, but a mere acquaintance for hanging out. I advice you to debate respectfully with him about politics, but if after some time he keeps his views and doesn't even moderate in front of you, show him that you won't tolerate his crap and ignore him. Don't ever hold your disgust when he says something racist.
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If your in high school, its probably just an immature ego trip. There are alot of confused white males who are looking for an identity to cling to, and Nazism makes them stronger/smarter/better than they actually are by way of race, so frustrated kids turn to it. Id say just tell him where he's wrong and let him grow out of it.
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-Peter Kropotkin</span>
Murder him.
I think you should attempt to engage him in a debate and try to sway him to your side but as soon as it looks like he won't budge, don't waste your energy on him anymore.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
Not too long ago I became aware of a Nazi that goes to my school. In fact, before I started driving to school he rode my bus. Anyway, I came across his myspace one time and it was decked out in all this nazi/hitler stuff. I was pissed so I sent him a message calling him scum, but then you could say we debated. At first I was shocked by the way he presented himself, he's in 8th grade (age 12 or 13 probably), but the way he typed made him seem much older and intelligent. So we're debating, and then he starts making this false claims about Jews, blacks, etc, so I just told him to fuck off. If I had to see him on a daily basis I'd probably have to kick his ass.
<span style=\'font-family:tahoma\'><span style=\'color:#990000\'>"I don't like to use the word "U.S. interest". That's why I wish some other critics would stop saying "We go into this country, we do that, we do this", no no no. We do not do things, they do it to us. We are part of the victims, not part of the victimizors."</span></span>
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You should have asked him to provide proof for his claims.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
I think people need to take a more tolerant approach to young kids who are caught up in the nazi shit. Its a phase, and phases end, plus their probably just running their mouths and not actually harming anyone physically. You need to educate them, not threaten or physically harm them, that will do nothing but solidify their fucked up beliefs. These are mostly frustrated angst ridden kids who are pissed off at the same system we are, but have had their minds warped by online propaganda. we need to liberate them from their hate and make leftists of them, not attack them and drive them further into Hitlerian beliefs. Their beliefs, however intelligently they present them, are fucked up and wrong, and if they are in fact intelligent it is very possibly to show them how and why they are wrong, and when they grow out of that phase, they will likely become avid anti-nazi's. If this kid is in grade 8 as you said, you should NOT kick his ass or anything of the sort. He is the product of a fear ridden culture, and Nazism is the height of paranoid fear and angst. These people need to be helped, not harmed. Cured, not destroyed. It is possible, and it is necessary. a low minded assault based approach to young Nazi's will only add to their fear and fuel the conflagration of their ideals, this must be avoided, no matter how annoyed/pissed off you may be. Remember that they are just dumb teens who still need to sort out their lives and beliefs. A good example is George Burdi, a former lead singer in the racist band RaHoWa, Burdi has since renounced Nazism, Racism, and hatred and become a member of a multiracial band called Novacosm.
Redemption is possible and infinately better than destruction.
Of course this does not apply to the older nazi's who are warping their minds, they are truly scumbags who do not deserve the time of day.
<span style=\'color:red\'>Liberty without Socialism is privilege, injustice; Socialism without Liberty is Slavery and Brutality.
-Mikhail Bakunin</span>
<span style=\'color:gray\'>The assumption that what currently exists must necessarily exist is the acid that corrodes all visionary thinking.
-Murray Bookchin</span>
<span style=\'color:red\'>When we ask for the abolition of the State and its organs we are always told that we dream of a society composed of men better than they are in reality. But no; a thousand times, no. All we ask is that men should not be made worse than they are, by such institutions!
-Peter Kropotkin</span>
Well, I did try to reason with this kid, I stayed calm and didn't attack him really. He resisted though, and kept going on about how we have to "preserve our white history" and "not mix with other cultures for that will completely wipe away our history." But he comes from a Nazi family though, which is why I see little help for him.
<span style=\'font-family:tahoma\'><span style=\'color:#990000\'>"I don't like to use the word "U.S. interest". That's why I wish some other critics would stop saying "We go into this country, we do that, we do this", no no no. We do not do things, they do it to us. We are part of the victims, not part of the victimizors."</span></span>
<span style=\'font-family:tahoma\'><span style=\'color:#000000\'>"The network's going down because I think for myself."</span></span> - <span style=\'color:#000000\'>Carbon/Silicon</span>
<span style=\'color:#CC0000\'>Formerly known as stayfree.</span>
You cant reason with an indoctrinated nazi, the fuckers are fully brainwashed, and must be hunted down and bashed everywhere they are seen!
