Call an exorcist!!!
but seriously, we are pretty much all saying the same thing, talk to the kid, try to reason with him... but if he is too arrogant to listen beat him shitless...
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The only Neofascists (I wouldnt go so far as to call them nazi's as they are a tad more toned down than that) I have ever dealt with use rhetoric instead of violence, but the rapist ones you cited, yeah, completely different situation. I have never in my life seen violent skinhead Nazi punks, but I was never talking about that to begin with. I was talking about the young rhetoric driven kid which is far more common than the violent hardcore skinhead. Then again, we dont have very much violence in my university...back at high school we had rednecks who got drunk and brawled, but that was non-idealogical idiocy. I have never been in a situation where I had to physically fight, nor do I want to be in that situation unless it is absolutely needed. But you need to make the distinction between a skinhead who is beating up black and jewish people and the crazy loudmouthed kid who likes to doodle swastikas and constantly play the Germans on Red Orchestra (any other players of this game are well aquainted with this type of Nazi...fun targets at least).
my ballpark estimate: 80-90% of Nazi's in high school are little more than loud-mouthed history buffs who havnt learned up to 1945 yet, or frustrated kids who get caught up on bad sites before they had a good introduction to the left (I think the far right has a slight advantage over us in cyberspace...Stormfront boasts far more members than we do, if Im not mistaken, and thats scary and sad). Point is, most nazi's are probably geeks with swastikas. They just dont make as loud an impact as the violent ones, so we dont really notice the shit they believe, but we can reach these kids, and we should.
If you think Im wrong, just look at some of the Stormfront kids avatars, they look like something from bloody fucking world of warcraft with white nationalism minced in. Or listen to some nazi music that is little more than a cheap racist knock-off of dragonforce.
There is a huge difference between the 1337 /\/421'5 and violent skinheads, and I really would not want to go about beating up a potentially good kid who doesnt know what the fuck he's getting himself into for a namesake. I am not a fan of gratuitous violence, and I dont believe violence should be used unless as a last resort, or in defence of people being attacked, or if they did something fucked up enough to warrant it, and doodling little swastika's and spouting poorly understood racist rhetoric is fucked up enough to demand a whole slew of argumentation in return, or isolation if hes annoying enough, but not an ass kicking.
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Call an exorcist!!!
but seriously, we are pretty much all saying the same thing, talk to the kid, try to reason with him... but if he is too arrogant to listen beat him shitless...
Thoughts about Revlefts new banner-
they seem to scream "We're anti-capitalist! now buy our shit!!!"
Sorry to bring back a nearly dead thread, but I just wanted to post an update for all of you. Myself and a small tight group of friends (with the potential to grow larger) are going to launch an "antifascist campaign" at our school. The nazi kid has been talking to others and unfortunately some people are finding the idea of being a nazi as 'fucking cool.'
The campaign will consist of fliers around the school, homemade t-shirts for anyone who wants one, discussing antifascism with others, calling the new kid on his bullshit, and exposing fascism for what it truly is.
We expect either two reactions, we'll be met militantly which we can confront with equal force. Or we may be able to at least get this nazi and any others who may be hidden in our school to begin to question their beliefs and/or realize we're keeping an eye on them.
Life is something worth dying for.
Good luck.
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This really isn't my normal reaction, and I'd normally side with Ewok, but if the guy is having any kind of success at persuading kids to nazism, you need to use violence. Don't hospitalise him, yet, just punish him for it. If you look like you could have hurt him much more, he'll be too scared to carry on I'd bet.
If he carries on you'll have to get more serious.h34r:
-Alex
The walls pull back, they are transparent and they pull back... love can create this feeling, or art; it is rare to feel it in society, where one is almost always confronted with a kind of obligatory inertia, where the activity one pursues goes almost always hand in hand with the painful feeling of its limitations. But during the strike, we could touch it with our fingers, rub our hands across its back.
I'd also be tempted to trust Marcel's experience with the fuckers. If anyone knows what they're talking about with how to deal with them, it's probably him.
-Alex
The walls pull back, they are transparent and they pull back... love can create this feeling, or art; it is rare to feel it in society, where one is almost always confronted with a kind of obligatory inertia, where the activity one pursues goes almost always hand in hand with the painful feeling of its limitations. But during the strike, we could touch it with our fingers, rub our hands across its back.
any one notice how nazis really are like scum? If you don't get rid of them quick they start multiplying?
Thoughts about Revlefts new banner-
they seem to scream "We're anti-capitalist! now buy our shit!!!"
i jsut give them one warning i have a talk with them discuss why they are nazi's try to influence them and give them the ultimattum. "if i see you again with that nazi patch on im gonna beat the fuck outa you". of course this is meant to fail i dotn expect them to change their beliefs but at least i gave them a chance. It usually wont work to that poitn even. violence will probably set in your first encounter.
If you really like this guy try and reason with him, but if he's one of those real nazis dont bother even if you make the most valid point or proof they wont listen to you.
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