Does it matter, how will anything really change with a democratic president? Its just bourgeois games.
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The haggard witch Nancy Pelosi said under her leadership the Democrats will not impeach Bush but will be content to let his last two years become a sort of lame duck presidency. There is something seriously wrong with the U.S. government when a congresswoman will say something like that. She is content to let 2 years of our national life be wasted on a nightmare called George W. Bush!
Does it matter, how will anything really change with a democratic president? Its just bourgeois games.
"The essence of all slavery consists in taking the product of another's labor by force. It is immaterial whether this force be founded upon ownership of the slave or ownership of the money that he must get to live" -Leo Tolstoy
"Government is the shadow cast by business over society."
John Dewey
RIP Ian Tomlinson (victim of UK police brutality)
The Dissenter, you are right. All ideologies put forward by most western governments are basically the same,all right wing.
impeaching bush would be a nice symbolic gesture, but would not change anything in a major way. despite that, i would still like to see him go down in flames.
If Gore had been elected in 2000, I doubt there would've been an Iraq war. Besides that, both parties are fundamentally similar.
It's easy to see
Evil as entity
Not as condition
Inside you and me
-Eugene Hutz
Has anyone thought about what would happen after the bush impeachment?
Cheney as president. we would be in for worse shape then. I think that is what congress is considering. which is worst of two evils. let them ride out their term then arrest, indict, convict on treason and war crimes. that my wish anyway.
but i doubt we have an election in 2008. I am sure we will have another phoney 'terrorist' attack, marital law will be declared, elections suspended, and all those empty NSA prisons around the country will begin to fill up with us dissenters.
they have very systematically placed into law all they need to create the fascist nation they dream of.
Yet, do not talk revolution here the same people who are complaining about what is about to happen will freak out.
They would rather sit at computers on sites like myspace, sitespaces, etc an post and repost the same information we all already know.
I say it is time to take our nation back from fascist, capitalist. Time to stop the bullying and control of the rest of the world as well as the citizens. Yet i seem to be the only one willing to speak out.
"Capital"... in the political field is analogous to "government"... The economic idea of capitalism, the politics of government or of authority, and the theological idea of the Church are three identical ideas, linked in various ways. To attack one of them is equivalent to attacking all of them . . . What capital does to labour, and the State to liberty, the Church does to the spirit. This trinity of absolutism is as baneful in practice as it is in philosophy. The most effective means for oppressing the people would be simultaneously to enslave its body, its will and its reason.[
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
My Blog
This is RevolutionaryLeft.com, not LiberalDemocrats.com.
Again, people who think as i do are called commies leftist by the right, and liberaldems by the left.Originally posted by MrDoom@December 19, 2006 03:20 pm
This is RevolutionaryLeft.com, not LiberalDemocrats.com.
Can someone explain to me where those of us who want revolution in US, to bring down captialism, establish a socialist economic system, and dismantle a military who has been built to control not only its own people but the attempt to control the rest of the world, where do we fit?
You know, the rest of the world can ***** and gripe about us, yet anytime we the people attempt to organize to overthrow, we are met with snobbish attitudes and not help. I do not see anyone trying to help us do what needs to be done here.
thank you very much.
"Capital"... in the political field is analogous to "government"... The economic idea of capitalism, the politics of government or of authority, and the theological idea of the Church are three identical ideas, linked in various ways. To attack one of them is equivalent to attacking all of them . . . What capital does to labour, and the State to liberty, the Church does to the spirit. This trinity of absolutism is as baneful in practice as it is in philosophy. The most effective means for oppressing the people would be simultaneously to enslave its body, its will and its reason.[
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
My Blog
Well, I was mostly directed at the original poster. However, you do seem to fit the bill.Originally posted by groundinghubris+December 19, 2006 03:36 pm--> (groundinghubris @ December 19, 2006 03:36 pm)Again, people who think as i do are called commies leftist by the right, and liberaldems by the left.@December 19, 2006 03:20 pm
This is RevolutionaryLeft.com, not LiberalDemocrats.com.
Can someone explain to me where those of us who want revolution in US, to bring down captialism, establish a socialist economic system, and dismantle a military who has been built to control not only its own people but the attempt to control the rest of the world, where do we fit?
You know, the rest of the world can ***** and gripe about us, yet anytime we the people attempt to organize to overthrow, we are met with snobbish attitudes and not help. I do not see anyone trying to help us do what needs to be done here.
thank you very much. [/b]
Liberal conspiracy prattle.
"It is enough to know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." -- Joseph Stalin
Do you even know what fascism is?
And how do you propose we bring positive change? Voting?
Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck...
Yes I know very well what fascism is. I also know what socialism is. I have been fighting here in US for over 35 yrs. where and what have you been doing?Originally posted by MrDoom+December 19, 2006 03:46 pm--> (MrDoom @ December 19, 2006 03:46 pm)Well, I was mostly directed at the original poster. However, you do seem to fit the bill.Again, people who think as i do are called commies leftist by the right, and liberaldems by the left.@December 19, 2006 03:20 pm
This is RevolutionaryLeft.com, not LiberalDemocrats.com.
Can someone explain to me where those of us who want revolution in US, to bring down captialism, establish a socialist economic system, and dismantle a military who has been built to control not only its own people but the attempt to control the rest of the world, where do we fit?
You know, the rest of the world can ***** and gripe about us, yet anytime we the people attempt to organize to overthrow, we are met with snobbish attitudes and not help. I do not see anyone trying to help us do what needs to be done here.
thank you very much.
Liberal conspiracy prattle.
"It is enough to know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." -- Joseph Stalin
Do you even know what fascism is?
And how do you propose we bring positive change? Voting?
Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck... [/b]
I am not a young person who has fallen into a philosophy I know nothing of. I have my battle scars and know the realities of both peaceful and non peaceful attempts at bringing down the elite who rule.
I was making a comment regarding the comment about impeachment. thought i was staying on topic here. you may call me anything you wish too. just makes me believe you are no different then those you profess to stand against. or do you even know who you really stand against?
"Capital"... in the political field is analogous to "government"... The economic idea of capitalism, the politics of government or of authority, and the theological idea of the Church are three identical ideas, linked in various ways. To attack one of them is equivalent to attacking all of them . . . What capital does to labour, and the State to liberty, the Church does to the spirit. This trinity of absolutism is as baneful in practice as it is in philosophy. The most effective means for oppressing the people would be simultaneously to enslave its body, its will and its reason.[
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
My Blog
The absence of 600,000 dead Iriqis makes for a fundamentally similar party!
Note: I think there still would have been a war, republican or not in the white house.
You can't learn to swim in a library.
just goes to show how little you know of the current thinking of the people here. we have known for years our votes do not count, why do you think so few vote.Originally posted by MrDoom+December 19, 2006 03:46 pm--> (MrDoom @ December 19, 2006 03:46 pm)Well, I was mostly directed at the original poster. However, you do seem to fit the bill.Again, people who think as i do are called commies leftist by the right, and liberaldems by the left.@December 19, 2006 03:20 pm
This is RevolutionaryLeft.com, not LiberalDemocrats.com.
Can someone explain to me where those of us who want revolution in US, to bring down captialism, establish a socialist economic system, and dismantle a military who has been built to control not only its own people but the attempt to control the rest of the world, where do we fit?
You know, the rest of the world can ***** and gripe about us, yet anytime we the people attempt to organize to overthrow, we are met with snobbish attitudes and not help. I do not see anyone trying to help us do what needs to be done here.
thank you very much.
Liberal conspiracy prattle.
"It is enough to know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." -- Joseph Stalin
Do you even know what fascism is?
And how do you propose we bring positive change? Voting?
Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck... [/b]
I have been telling people here for years that when the time comes that the majority wake up to the reality of what our country is, we will get no help from anyone else. we alone will fight our revolution.
for just as propaganda has spread here regarding leftist, it has spread worldwide regarding us. we are not judged as a people but a government.
as for all the name calling, judgmental attitudes, and looking down noses at others; i believe che' would be very disappointed. He was for the oppressed everywhere, ready to go and stand by the side of anyone willing to fight their oppressors.
He sit with Malcolm X, visited with us here in US. At least tried to help.
Yet those today who wish to ride his coat tails just because it is 'cool', dishonor his name.
"Capital"... in the political field is analogous to "government"... The economic idea of capitalism, the politics of government or of authority, and the theological idea of the Church are three identical ideas, linked in various ways. To attack one of them is equivalent to attacking all of them . . . What capital does to labour, and the State to liberty, the Church does to the spirit. This trinity of absolutism is as baneful in practice as it is in philosophy. The most effective means for oppressing the people would be simultaneously to enslave its body, its will and its reason.[
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
My Blog
Yes, the goals of each party are fundamentally similar.
Why do you think Gore would've gone to war?
It's easy to see
Evil as entity
Not as condition
Inside you and me
-Eugene Hutz
O forgive me, great and wonderful Che Almighty! I shall consecrate 500 capitalist infants to your honor!
*goes to pray*
back to topic
articles of impeachment filed Dec 8
Is now in the House Committee on the Judiciary
For any of those happy about this, just think who gets to be president now--Cheney
The whole place needs to be kicked out
"Capital"... in the political field is analogous to "government"... The economic idea of capitalism, the politics of government or of authority, and the theological idea of the Church are three identical ideas, linked in various ways. To attack one of them is equivalent to attacking all of them . . . What capital does to labour, and the State to liberty, the Church does to the spirit. This trinity of absolutism is as baneful in practice as it is in philosophy. The most effective means for oppressing the people would be simultaneously to enslave its body, its will and its reason.[
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
My Blog
The Democrats have a relatively precarious hold over the Senate so I'm not sure if they're even up to this task had they accepted it.
I think the Democrats should impeach Bush to show they have a backbone. Republicans are so popular because they are arrogant and seem to know what they are doing. Democrats seem weak to the majority of america and do not want to elect weak people.
Only as producer and creator of social wealth does he become aware of his strength; in solidaric union with his fellows he creates in the trade union the invincible phalanx which can withstand any assault, if it is aflame with the spirit of freedom and animated by the ideal of social justice.- Rudolf Rocker
lol i say drag her out of the government!
